american bull dog

[lexip]

I adopted an american bull from a shelter. she had (has) a lot of issues and we are working on them but one thing i just can't understand i how she hates my 17 yr old daughter...it's not a jealously issue because she is fine with my husband but she will stalk and seriously attacks my daughter for no aparent reason so, when my daughter is home lexi is either in her cage or has her muzzel and leash on and oh yes lexi attacks with the muzzel on. we have been to a behavoirist but i can't say she helped at all. i love this dog and will do what is necessary to keep everyone safe if anyone has delt with this type of problem...i could use some advise

 

[APBTlover09]

but one thing i just can't understand i how she hates my 17 yr old daughter...it's not a jealously issue because she is fine with my husband but she will stalk and seriously attacks my daughter for no aparent reason so, when my daughter is home lexi is either in her cage or has her muzzel and leash on and oh yes lexi attacks with the muzzel on. we have been to a behavoirist but i can't say she helped at all. i love this dog and will do what is necessary to keep everyone safe if anyone has delt with this type of problem...i could use some advise

if that was my dog, she would be PTS that night. i will not keep a dog alive thats going to attack my family, for no reason.
what exactly did the behaviorist say? have you taken her to the vet to see if its anythings wrong with her. if yes, and she's healthy.. then its best if you have her PTS. i know its not something you want to here, and i'm so sorry

 

[2mnydgs]

Where did the thread go? Why is it tucked in here?

 

[APBTlover09]

it should be posted in the training/behavior forum.


American Bulldogs are NOT supposed to be "attacking/hating" their own family.

 

[MsAcer]

I would also put that down down. Tonight...

But you would be surprised how many will not put down a dangerous dog. I have had people pay me to take their human aggressive dogs to the vet to be put to sleep. People need to be responsible to do the right thing.

 

[APBTlover09]

i agree, MsAcer.

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But you would be surprised how many will not put down a dangerous dog.

oh my god, i know. i really really wish people would STOP having bleeding hearts, instead of thinking they can save them all, esp all the unstable/unsound HA dogs. YOU CAN'T SAVE THEM ALL :'(

 

[2mnydgs]

Please put the dog down. This isn't fair. Not to a single person in the family or to the reputation or future of American Bulldogs.

One day, you may open your door and have your dog get out. Then the dog is loose in the world without a muzzle and with children and teens of all ages just moving about and living their lives.

This is how bulldogs make headlines. And in your case, the report will read that the dog had a long history of aggressing against your child. Accidents happen. When that results in a dog fight, it's a bad thing. When it results in the attack of a child, it should be criminal if there were warning signs or a history.

I feel awful for you and you sound like a responsible and wonderful person. You sound like the sort of person I would want my foster dog to go home with. You and your family deserve better. Please, put the dog down.

 

[APBTlover09]

:goodposting: 2mnydgs.

i know that there a few very GOOD and responsible people out there that can safely manage a HA dog. IMO ITS NOT fair for the poor doggy to keep it alive. i think the dog would be much happier, if its sent to the rainbow bridge. where he or she will no longer have to suffer and chase his/her invisible demons. i really really wish people would STOP having bleeding hearts and think with their heads instead of thinking they can save them all. (esp the unsound/unstable HA ones) because the reality is, YOU CAN'T SAVE THEM ALL. :'( :'( it isnt fair to the unstable/unsound HA dog, bulldog breeds owners/lovers, and everyone out there.. if the dog has genetic issues that are HA then euthanize the dog, period.. there is no room for bleeding hearts with this breed or any bulldog breeds. because this exactly why our bulldog mixes/mutts and our bulldog breeds is down the crapper. like 2mnydgs said This is how "pitbulls" make the headlines....
and this is also why the "pitbull" haters HATES us and our dogs and why BSL and "pitbull" bans are spreading all over the place.

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Dog Ordinances & Laws

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Breed Specific Legislation

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http://www.dogsbite.org/
"pitbull" haters website

 

[PitBullHappeningsRescue]

I own two American Bulldogs (bro and sis) the male is very calm and mellow however he is real shy of meeting new people but he doesn't have the slightest bit of aggression towards people whatsoever. If ignored he'd eventually make his way to the new person to sniff or whatever. His sister is of opposite personality, she's a lover and a social butterfly.

I have a zero tolerance policy for any of my dogs to exhibit such behaviour, I have to especially since I have 6 dogs living in my home.

Before I'd recommend putting the dog down, I highly suggest a vet check just to rule out any medical issues (I doubt it's anything to do with medical since he only exhibits bad behavior around your daughter)

I also would like to know what exactly, if anything, did the behaviorist say/suggest to you. If they didn't explain anything to you then I'd take the dog to a legitimate/reputable behaviorist and that will thoroughly explain the situation to you and tell you the truth about the situations and the options you have available.

Another thing you need to realize, and this goes for all Bull Breeds, is that they are known to test their limits with their owners which is why we, the owners, need to lay down the law and always be a step ahead of them. They can be extremely stubborn creatures. Dogs can also sense fear so if anybody is giving off that fearful energy then get rid of the dog or you should expect the worst. IMO, Fear is a major contributor to the dogs failing (of any breed) due to human ignorance and cowardice.

Bottom Line: get underlying medical issues cleared as okay by a vet, get a reputable dog behaviorist and do as they suggest even if it's to euthanize the dog and if anybody in the household can't help putting off fearful energy then get rid of the dog to somebody that can handle and control the dog (only after the vet and behaviorist gives the okay. If they don't and the dog is unstable/unsound then do Society a favor and put the dog to sleep.)

 

[APBTlover09]

thanks eric, for posting :hug:

 

[PitBullHappeningsRescue]

thanks eric, for posting :hug:

Your Welcome!

I just wish more dog owners would manage their households with canines more like an Authoritarian Style instead of the lovey dovey type. Dogs will respect their owners more. Also, authoritarian vs lovey dovey... with Authoritarian the dogs aren't confused as to who the Leader is and ultimately are happier dogs as dogs rather would be followers than leaders. The lovey dovey types often causes the dogs to be confused as to who the leader is... The Bull Breeds especially, IMO, don't need the lovey dovey types. IMO, it isn't doing the Breeds any favors and are hurting them more than they realize.

 

[lexip]

Wow! no such thing as a judgement free zone in here! Not for us bleeding heart lovey dovey air heads. lol..............I smell breeders

 

[APBTlover09]

Your Welcome!

I just wish more dog owners would manage their households with canines more like an Authoritarian Style instead of the lovey dovey type. Dogs will respect their owners more. Also, authoritarian vs lovey dovey... with Authoritarian the dogs aren't confused as to who the Leader is and ultimately are happier dogs as dogs rather would be followers than leaders. The lovey dovey types often causes the dogs to be confused as to who the leader is... The Bull Breeds especially, IMO, don't need the lovey dovey types. IMO, it isn't doing the Breeds any favors and are hurting them more than they realize.

i agree with you Erik :hug:

 

[2mnydgs]

lexip--

Is there any way for me to be of assistance to you? I am most certainly not a breeder and have 3 rescue dogs. I foster for a rescue organization and worked in animal rescue for years.

What kind of input or information are you seeking? This question is being asked very sincerely. It sounds like you have taken the most reasonable steps possible to resolve this matter.

How can I help?

 

[APBTlover09]

none of us in this thread are breeders, we're involved (fostering/volunteering/etc) in the rescue/shelter world.

i want to know exactly what the behaviorist said. and if you took the dog to make sure she has clean bill of health.
meaning if she's healthy or not.

 

[2mnydgs]

When I read lexips reply I was confused. I couldn't figure out how I came off as a breeder. I was actually thinking about that while I went about making supper for my family. Then it dawned on me and now I totally understand it.

Let's face it, we all sounded really cold. We were willing to throw away a life. That doesn't seem like something a shelter or rescue person would want to do. After all, we shelter people are supposed to really love dogs.

What someone outside of the shelter world doesn't know, is all that we have seen and done along the way to this black and white place we ended up, this place where we believe that human aggressive dogs need to be put down.

On my journey, I used to be paid a living wage to take in about 2,400 dogs and cats a year. Our placement rate was lower than 50%. My job was to evaluate the animals that would make it to the adoption floor. It was also my job to hold the other 50% while they died, bag them, and throw them in a dumpster after hours in the dark. I killed a WHOLE LOT of really, really nice dogs. One night, I killed 14 black labs, not a mean one in the bunch, not a single one older than 6 months. They were all in a pile waiting to be bagged and disposed of. None of them did anything wrong. Each one of them would have made a nice pet. I WILL NEVER FORGET IT.

Because I destroyed so many wonderful, amazing, safe, and deserving pets, I think that all dangerous dogs should be put down. If your goal is to save a life, save the life of a dog that will give something back. Save a dog that isn't going to hurt an innocent child. Save a dog that you can take with you on a walk. Save a dog that your daughter can cuddle with on the couch and hold while she faces life's ups and downs.

I am not a breeder. I am a shelter worker. My heart bleeds for all dogs, but my loyalty lies with the safe ones.

I am not judging you in the least. I just wish you could see your situation through my eyes.

I didn't mean to come off as cold.

 

[bostonitis]

When I read lexips reply I was confused. I couldn't figure out how I came off as a breeder. I was actually thinking about that while I went about making supper for my family. Then it dawned on me and now I totally understand it.

Let's face it, we all sounded really cold. We were willing to throw away a life. That doesn't seem like something a shelter or rescue person would want to do. After all, we shelter people are supposed to really love dogs.

What someone outside of the shelter world doesn't know, is all that we have seen and done along the way to this black and white place we ended up, this place where we believe that human aggressive dogs need to be put down.

On my journey, I used to be paid a living wage to take in about 2,400 dogs and cats a year. Our placement rate was lower than 50%. My job was to evaluate the animals that would make it to the adoption floor. It was also my job to hold the other 50% while they died, bag them, and throw them in a dumpster after hours in the dark. I killed a WHOLE LOT of really, really nice dogs. One night, I killed 14 black labs, not a mean one in the bunch, not a single one older than 6 months. They were all in a pile waiting to be bagged and disposed of. None of them did anything wrong. Each one of them would have made a nice pet. I WILL NEVER FORGET IT.

Because I destroyed so many wonderful, amazing, safe, and deserving pets, I think that all dangerous dogs should be put down. If your goal is to save a life, save the life of a dog that will give something back. Save a dog that isn't going to hurt an innocent child. Save a dog that you can take with you on a walk. Save a dog that your daughter can cuddle with on the couch and hold while she faces life's ups and downs.

I am not a breeder. I am a shelter worker. My heart bleeds for all dogs, but my loyalty lies with the safe ones.

I am not judging you in the least. I just wish you could see your situation through my eyes.

I didn't mean to come off as cold.

That was a very nice post and I agree 100000000000% I wont even foster a dog that has poor temperament, people should be ashamed for having put this dog up for adoption and allowing a family to go through this.

 

[APBTlover09]

2mnydgs, i agree with you 100000000000000000000000000000000000000% :goodposting: i personally think
that this should be plastered every where. (shelter/rescue world) :hug:

like another letter http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=54158 from a shelter worker.


i'm with boston, i'll NEVER ever foster a dog or an older pup with unsound/unstable (human aggressive) temperment. i'm sorry i'm saying this but the shelter should of euthanize the AMbulldog mix. it makes me sick and angry that there are shelters that adopts out unstable/unsound dogs. :'( its breaks my heart that theres thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of sound/stable, rock solid temperments, healthy, happy, loveable, kissable dogs and puppies that (SHOULD BE RESCUED/SAVED) are being PTS/euthanized. :'( :'( :'( yet people rather save the unstable/unsound human aggressive dogs
James Harrison's pit bull gets a second chance
another bleeding heart rescue lady that saved a (American bully) dog that bit a child.

 

[2mnydgs]

I'm bummed that the OP didn't come back.
Sounds like she's in a tough spot. I wish we could have helped her.
I am sure that she thinks that she's doing the right thing, but it has to be taking a toll. I can't imagine having to keep my dog seperate from my nearly adult child. This is a situation she should have never been put in. Having to put down a dog you rescued is so, so hard. It isn't fair.

 

[APBTlover09]

i agree, its not fair at all. for the owners or the doggy. shelters that adopts aggressive dogs out like this, makes me sick