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Allergies/Tired of putting him on meds!

My 2 yr old Pit is on Meds for allergies for the 3rd time this year. My wife and i have finally decided to take him to a dermatologist to get some testing done. It breakes my heart beause he gets so uncomfortable with all the hives and itchyness... spreads to his ears and he gets infections in them as well...

We feed him taste of the wild FISH based formula and FISH based treats. He gets some bacon fat on his food as well as peanut butter for his treat when we leave. We discoverd long ago that poultry and beef do sit to well with him and also he cant have any grains.


Any pittie parents have similar issues... any suggestions or stories ?

We also recently tried coconut oil to help with his skin and such and it yielded some relief and then stopped working
 

_unoriginal

Cow Dog
Why do you add bacon fat and peanut butter? Bacon fat is very dangerous to your dog. Grease and cooked fat will cause pancreas issues. Bacon itself is very high in sodium. Peanut butter has sugar in it. It's fine for a pill or a once in a while snack but it's not at all healthy for your dog.
 
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NobodyHere

Guest
You said you're tired of putting your dog on meds. You do realize that, even if you see a dermatologist, the dog is still likely to require some sort of medication, right?
 

ShellysBK

Little Dog
I dont get the bacon fat either? My BK..would be sick

Mine gets PB once in a while in his Kong,,but we eat the bland crap at my house. Also with him being raw and sooo dam picky we dont deviate from his diet.
I think PB is pretty common tho.
 
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Cosmic Charlie

Good Dog
My 2 yr old Pit is on Meds for allergies for the 3rd time this year. My wife and i have finally decided to take him to a dermatologist to get some testing done. It breakes my heart beause he gets so uncomfortable with all the hives and itchyness... spreads to his ears and he gets infections in them as well...

We feed him taste of the wild FISH based formula and FISH based treats. He gets some bacon fat on his food as well as peanut butter for his treat when we leave. We discoverd long ago that poultry and beef do sit to well with him and also he cant have any grains.


Any pittie parents have similar issues... any suggestions or stories ?

We also recently tried coconut oil to help with his skin and such and it yielded some relief and then stopped working

Put it this way, your dog has allergies and until you find the source (may be many sources) the dog will continue to suffer side effects from said allergens. The dog will also require some sort of medication until you figure out the source and cease providing the cause. You really need some allergen tests completed and it actually doesn't hurt to have two or three separate allergen tests to compare and contrast results. I'm aware some veterinarians charge fairly absurd amounts, but honest vet's can do a wide range of tests currently on the market for a little over a hundred dollars. The thing you need to be aware of is not all allergen tests are created equal. First and foremost, the proper test depends on what you're attempting to accomplish by said test, such as testing for food based allergens, environmental (pollens and other natural sources as well as synthetic such as cleaning products etc) or cover all basis. Second of all, there are many unreliable tests on the market and accuracy comes down to the testing method. You want a test that uses the relevant high affinity receptor and avoid tests that rely on the IgG receptor due to high risk of false positive detection.

With this said, I have a good deal of experience when it comes to locating and subsequently tackling the problem at the source. I have many experiences with allergen tests and have seen a wide array of results based on which methods are used. Nothing is 100% accurate, but there are many tests out there that will help you immensely. This is the ONLY way you will solve this issue. I have a dog that suffers from some serious food allergies that cause yeast buildup among other side effects. One side effect the yeast causes is seizures. After finding the source of the allergen side effects, the yeast issue, among every other side effect (including stress, shaking and nervousness) was eliminated by the end of week one. We are yet to have a "relapse", except for the one day we fed a food he was allergic too. He suffered a seizure (minor) and that was the last time we risked any allergens, including borderline positive results.

If you want specific information on what tests I have positive and negative experiences with, feel free to send me a PM.
Medications did very little for my dog and the only thing that helped after a few years of dealing with these problems was locating the source of the issues and subsequently eliminating the sources from his life. Once again, don't be discouraged if you took an allergen test already, because like i stated before they are not all created equal. Not all veterinarians are well versed in the field of allergen tests and reliability. They all should be, but doctors of all kinds are also not all created equal. This is why going to a reputable veterinarian who received an education at top tier schools are important factors in my experiences, but this is another discussion for another time. Once you do a reliable test, review the results with a professional and eliminate all known allergens (INCLUDING- Borderline positive results) you will notice many positive changes. In all honesty, this is the only reliable and worthwhile way of dealing with a dog that suffers from reoccurring allergies and allergic reactions. With reoccurring side effects treating the symptoms, rather than source of the problems is a waste of time and ends up being much more costly. Allergen tests may be somewhat costly to some people, but trust me when i say you will save a lot of money in the long run. The cost of medicine will quickly add up, not to mention unneeded medications only will further health issues in your animal. Once again, feel free to send me a message if you want to discuss further or in private.
I really am unsure why you add bacon fat to anything for your dog. I think a proper dietary change can only be beneficial for your dog.
 

Jazzy

GRCH Dog
My dog sees a dermatologist for allergies - gets allergy shots every 2 weeks and for about 4 - 6 months out of the year needs to be on some type of oral medication as well. Usually just Zyrtec. Plus weekly - bi-weekly baths w/ medicated shampoo.

However managing the allergies helps us avoid the steroid/antibiotic merry-go-round @ 90% of the time.
 
When u bath my pit bull I use an oatmeal shampoo from Walmart works great . he has no allergies as of yet but I think medicated shampoos take any moisture and nessary oil away from your dogs fur if its that bad I wouldn't shampoo for awhile also I don't bath my dog in the winter months if I do it will be once till spring
 
Just downloaded this app, I don't get it. How do I start my own thread or how do I even search new topics. I feel so dumb but I don't understand. I just got a 5 week old pit pup and I wanted to start a tread regarding some questions I have.... Please help
 

Jazzy

GRCH Dog
When u bath my pit bull I use an oatmeal shampoo from Walmart works great . he has no allergies as of yet but I think medicated shampoos take any moisture and nessary oil away from your dogs fur if its that bad I wouldn't shampoo for awhile also I don't bath my dog in the winter months if I do it will be once till spring

The medicated shampoo and instructions for bathing come from the dermatologist.

You are right bathing too often with the wrong shampoo, depending upon the individual dog can dry their skin/coat - but like most things in life - it's all very individualized.

This is the shampoo we get from the derm. Dogs with known allergies may benefit from a special shampoo to meet their particular needs.

ChlorhexiDerm Shampoo|Dog Shampoo from DrsFosterSmith.com
 

SherryB

Little Dog
Cosmic Charlie, I have PMd you a few weeks ago trying to connect with you regarding the allergy testing, etc. you have to share. I just made a trip yesterday to the see a derm 2 hours from here and have wanted to get info from you but haven't been able to reach you.

From what I learned yesterday, you've got to determine whether its an environmental, food, flea, or contact allergy (which I knew already from dog allergy issues years ago). Until you know that much you don't know how to properly treat it.

Cosmic Charlie... please PM me back.... :)
 

SherryB

Little Dog
P.S. I looked at the link Jazzy gave for the shampoo. It has the same active ingredient as the shampoo the dog derm prescribed yesterday (chlorhexidine). I haven't tried it yet. But the shampoo on the link is less than half the price of what I paid for the bottle yesterday which isn't surprising as it seems there's a lot of mark up when you get it from a vet/dr.
 
Thanks everyone for the quick replies.... I appreciate all the input!

I know i know .. the PB and the bacon is a really bad idea and i have stopped it as of yesterday. unfortunately i have to use a little PB to give him his current antibiotics but other then that i will just be using the Fish based treats i have as reward for certain things. The bacon was just something i added to get him to eat and didnt fully realize it was that bad for him.

the derm appt is jan 2 so out goal for that visit is to atleast start to look into what environmental things could be affecting him and his skin too. from there we will look into getting food allergen testing done too

Hes a great dog and very well behaved for how uncomfortable he must be... i just want him to feel good and i dont want all these antibiotics and steriods he has to constantly be on shorten his life at all

i actually have one last question... does anyone know of any support supplements to give them while they are taking antibiotics and sterios? all those drugs cant be good for their liver, kidneys etc.
 

_unoriginal

Cow Dog
It's probably a good idea to take a probiotic with antibiotics. There are un-"officially"-proven supplements such as milk thistle and cranberry supplements for boosting liver and kidneys.

Please don't add things to your dog's diet to "get" him to eat. You're actually encouraging him to be MORE picky.

you've got to determine whether its an environmental, food, flea, or contact allergy

There are 2 kinds of allergies. Environmental and dietary. Contact allergies are environmental, as are flea bite allergies. Fun fact: not all dogs are allergic to fleas.
 
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NobodyHere

Guest
Do anybody know where to get a good mange dip, and where I can find it?? Thx

You don't just walk into a store and get "mange dip," they're prescription products as you would probably know if this "mange" has been diagnosed by a vet. Has it?

In the future I'd also recommend starting your own thread.
 

Jazzy

GRCH Dog
the derm appt is jan 2 so out goal for that visit is to atleast start to look into what environmental things could be affecting him and his skin too. from there we will look into getting food allergen testing done too

As far as I know, there are no reliable tests for food allergies...the vet will have you do an "elimination diet" - which is most easily done w/ a prescription dog food.

I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned to you already - because they usually have you do a food trial first to rule out food allergies since it is less expensive than testing for environmental allergies - even though most canine allergies are environmental vs food related (per my dog's dermatologist). However you can go ahead and do the environmental testing first - because some dogs can have both types of allergies.

As a general supplement - Veronica's dermatologist has her on a fatty acid supplement:

Amazon.com : DVM PHARMACEUTICALS 60 Count Free Form Snip Tip Nutritional Supplements for Dogs/Cats, Small : Pet Fish Oil Nutritional Supplements : Pet Supplies
 
My dog is on three meds right now for the mange. Antibiotic, a certain type benadryl, and a. Mange killer. I liquid 2 pill form. Right now its on his head and chest and I just want to make sure he's all the way healed because I don't want it to spread.
 

_unoriginal

Cow Dog
Do anybody know where to get a good mange dip, and where I can find it?? Thx

My dog is on three meds right now for the mange. Antibiotic, a certain type benadryl, and a. Mange killer. I liquid 2 pill form. Right now its on his head and chest and I just want to make sure he's all the way healed because I don't want it to spread.

Please start your own thread. It's rude to start a new subject in someone else's thread, aka thread hijacking.