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african pittbulls info needed

Discussion in 'Bloodlines' started by jake01, Mar 30, 2010.

  1. hogar

    hogar Good Dog

    similar issues here and we also have lot of people that just do not care. I am sure that is everywhere every country I have been to has the issue some just worse than others
     
  2. megan

    megan Little Dog

    so true
     
  3. jake01

    jake01 Puppy


    Thats like saying that a pitbull will automatically be vicious because of its breed it has nothing to do with the breed its how they are brought up the bitch i have is one of the nicest kindest dogs i have ever owned i have already crossed her with a red nose cross sharpei and i had no problems with her the kids were laying all over her pulling on her ears and teets just before and after she had the pups and not once did she even look like she was going to have a go at them. if thats not proof that its not the breed its how they are brought up then i dont know what is
     
  4. 444

    444 Big Dog Premium Member

    It's not how you raise them.The breed has developed over time to be very stable.Its human friendly nature is one of the breeds best traits.

    Taken from the UKC standard:
    The APBT is not the best choice for a guard dog since they are extremely friendly, even with strangers. Aggressive behavior toward humans is uncharacteristic of the breed and highly undesirable.
    United Kennel Club: American Pit Bull Terrier (Revised November 1, 2008)

    Training and socialization play a role but a poorly bred unstable dog is just that.
     
  5. jake01

    jake01 Puppy

    this is just some info that i found on the origin of the pitbull i thought it may be something everyone would like to read



    The Ancestors of the Pitbull

    The Pitbull breed dates back to 50 A.D. The ancestors are the Molossian family of dogs or canus molossi. The way the Molossian dogs got their name is by the people they most associated with. That would be a tribe called Molossi. The Molossi tribe lived in ancient Greece and loved the use of aggressive, muscular dogs in warfare. They were used specifically to intimidate rivals tribes during battle. They weren't just used for warfare, they were also used for trade. They often traded Molossian dogs for food, equipment, medicines, etc.
    Another ancestrial family of the Pitbull is the Mastiff breed that was created by the Molossian breed. They were used by the Britons for warfare and guard dogs. The tides turned and the Britons went to war with the Romans. The Romans defeated the Britons and took advantage of the use of the Mastiff dogs by using them in coliseums and arenas for entertainment. The Romans got really into the dog fighting and started mix breeding the Mastiff breed to see what different combinations of breeds would do in the fighting aspect of it. They did this from 50 A.D. to 410 A.D.





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    The Bullenbeisser



    Bullenbeissers

    Unfortuntaly the Romans would not be the last people to use these dogs in cruel and dangerous fighting. When the Normans invaded England in 1066 they created a new dog breed named Bullenbeissers. The name came from butchers who own and handled this type of dog. The main use for Bullenbeissers was to herd cattle in for slaughter. If the cattle got out of line the dog would then clamp down on one of the hind legs of the cow until the owner had full control. The Normans were so impressed with their dogs they held showcases all the time to show off their dogs to the whole town. At the showcases the dogs would show off their ability and strength.





    Baiting / Creation of Ratting



    The Norman people got so out of hand with the game that in 1835 British goverment illigalized baiting. That did not stop the people from participating in dog fighting. Since they illegalized baiting they created a new game called ratting. Ratting is pretty much the same thing as baiting except they put two dogs or more in an arena with a bunch of rats. The dogs would race against the clock to see which dog would kill the most rats in that time frame. The word pit in the name pitbull came from the game of ratting because a pit was used to keep the rats from escaping. Ratting was easier to control and hide because the normans and englishmen were now using smaller animals. They got by with the game of ratting so easily that they decided to cross breed the dogs.





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    A pitbull-terrier



    Pitbull / Terrier

    Since this type of dog fighting required smaller and more agile type dogs they cross-breeded pitbulls and terriers. The terriers is well known for its smarts and focus. This is where the first pitbull terriers were created. This dog has the fighting instincts but also has the smarts and determination to go with it. These dogs were trained to fight and still are to this day. After they breeded these two dogs they then made two pitbull terriers get into an arena and fight each other.





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    English Immigrants



    The Immigration to America

    The English Immigrated to America and brought their dogs over with them. They started and influenced others to start dog fighting. He got really popular in America and the Englishmen and Americans kept breeding and training the pitbull terriers. They didn't just fight. They still herded cattle and guarded property for families and farmers. They were used for good too, but mostly for bad.





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    American Pitbull Terriers

    Even though these dogs are used for fighting they are still beautiful animals. Dog fighting still continues to this day and is not stopping anytime soon. It is illegal but it is so popular in America that there is to much of it going on to completely stop it.

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    that is true but if you raise your dog to be vicious then it will be and visa versa they dont call them the nanny dog for nothing
     
  6. Lotsapits

    Lotsapits Big Dog

    That would be MAURICE CARVER BTW:D
    Who was one of the better known dogmen who sold gamebred APBTs into other countries.
    One of the finest kennels is found in Mexico called Villa Liberty kennels. He had enormous ties with the founder of this kennel.
    The CARVER bloodline is my bloodline of choice, along with the Beaudreaux bloodline.:D
    Gotta love those Carver/Eli crosses.
     
  7. Alma

    Alma GRCH Dog

    Since this is a discussion and not a debate, I have moved this to our Bloodlines Section. :)
     
  8. mr.clueless

    mr.clueless Good Dog


    it seems obvious to me you dont really understand the meaning of "purebred " dogs.....it doesnt matter what country a dog is born in or how many generations the bloodline has been in that country.....if ive bred the same bloodline here in england for 25 years it still dont make them english pit bull terriers !!!...american pit bull terrier is the name of the breed you cant just change the name of a breed dependant on what part of the world you breed them !!
    by the sound of it you simply have crossbred dogs,mongrels....call them whatever you like but dont call them a different version of a pit bull terrier because their is only 1 version even when kept purebred which yours are not even...
     
  9. jake01

    jake01 Puppy

    everyone knows there is no such thing as a pure bred pitbull the deffinition of a pitbull is any smooth coated dog with muscular body and large blocky head this includes the staffy and bullterrier along with some of the mastiff breeds
     
  10. menzie3

    menzie3 Good Dog

    I heard.. that in africa - Hyena's were called *pitbulls*.. could that be what he is talking about?
     
  11. mr.clueless

    mr.clueless Good Dog


    you really think the apbt is not a purebred dog ?

    then you show me another breed thats pure direct ancestry can be traced back over 100 years dog for dog ?

    the apbt is possibly THE purest form of pedigree dog alive in todays times......some people refuse to even breed outside their bloodline within the breed ! that in itself makes for pureness like you see in no other dog breed.
     
  12. menzie3

    menzie3 Good Dog

    these are some pictures of african pitbulls I googled..

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  13. jake01

    jake01 Puppy

    ha ha all im saying is how can they be called American Pitbull Terriers when they originated in Europe and were brought over by settlers
     
  14. mr.clueless

    mr.clueless Good Dog

    so if a german shepherd is bred in scotland its a scottish shepherd ?:confused:

    some debates are not even worth having !!!

    those pictures are of hyenas.....whats that got to do with dogs let alone apbt,s....
     
  15. menzie3

    menzie3 Good Dog

    No, I am just trying to figure out what an African pitbull is.. and thats the only I can find that is called so!

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    Hyenas are called African pitbulls - a lot of ppl on this thread have stated they have never heard of an african pitbull - so I was showing them what one was

    I cannot find anything else dog or any animal wise called a african pitbull
     
  16. Nutty

    Nutty Little Dog

    me to :rolleyes:
     
  17. jake01

    jake01 Puppy

    Africanis
    The Africanis is an umbrella name that describes all aboriginal dogs that come from South Africa. Generally, this name is used to refer to a collection of dogs rather than a single breed. Many people believe that these dogs are descendants of pariah dogs that lived in ancient Africa. A rather commonly used term to refer to these dogs is “traditional dogsâ€.
    These dogs are very muscular. They are longer than they are tall. They are of slight build and have very short coats. Although there is not any standard that unifies them all in terms of description, these dogs are best categorized together owing to their common descent. They are ideally adapted to climatic conditions and terrain of Africa. They are very supple and can easily achieve high speeds when hunting.

    i am not sure but maybe what i have is a result of crossing the Pitbull with the above Africanis hence the name that it was given. I may be wrong but i know for sure that my bitch originated from africa when two of my uncles brought back two breeding pairs and then they had the mother and father of my bitch and they were told they were a cross between a Boerboel and what they were told was an African Pitbull
     
  18. menzie3

    menzie3 Good Dog

    Maybe so - I was just googling it lol - you got me very interested in it..

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    I seen your pictures and they are very cute dogs.. I love the moms ears. it says the dad is pitbull/sharpei mixed? or did I read that wrong and that is the father of your dog? do you have any pictures of the pups from that litter?
     
  19. jake01

    jake01 Puppy

    the fawn coloured dog is the sharpei cross APBT and the two red pups are the result of the cross between him and the bitch. The other little fella is a male i got for breeding with the bitch as the father of the last lot of pups has since been nutted and plus he was my uncles dog too so i couldnt take him when i moved

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    i think you should check this link out

    Pet PitBull - Legislation
    The man now breeds "African Boerboel", a rare breed from the Mastiff family, completely unknown to legislators. Unlike American Pit Bull Terriers however, who are known for their love of people, Boerboels are serious guard dogs bred specifically as protectors. ... PITBULL LINKS...
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    www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/legislation.html PET PITBULL MENU · Cached
     
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  20. hogar

    hogar Good Dog

    Jake you are just trying to stir a pot here you are using bits and pieces from info that you have been given on this thread so I am done wasting my time you do not want to open your mind to knowledge you want to argue. :no2::no2:

    But one last note you are breeding mutts with no knowledge of what you are doing and you my friend are in that group of irresponsible breeders that are ruining this wonderful breed :mad::mad::mad:
     

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