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african pittbulls info needed

Discussion in 'Bloodlines' started by jake01, Mar 30, 2010.

  1. jake01

    jake01 Puppy

    hi all i am currently the proud owner of an african pittbull male and an african pittbull cross boerboel (african mastiff) as far as i know the african pitty is one of the oldest breeds of pittbull. to my knowledge they were developed in africa during the early day of the europeans settling there by crossing the now extinct white english terrier and the bull terrier of the time and used them for protection against lions and other predators in africa. i am aware that the bullterrier was already a cross of the white english terrier and the bulldog but as far as i know they put the terrier back over it to give it a bit more height. any info would be great. check out my pics if you want

    thanks to all
     
  2. Alma

    Alma GRCH Dog

    Interesting place for you to post this. Are you looking to debate the validity of your bloodline?
     
  3. jake01

    jake01 Puppy

    not at all i am just curious about the origin of the breed itself i am not here to dispute bloodlines or what not i just want to get the info i need
     
  4. Poisoned

    Poisoned GRCH Dog

    I have never heard of them... Do you have any more info on them?

    It sounds, to me, like Bandogs. A bandog is a mix of pit bull and mastiff, in short. Though it has many variations.

    But for the most part, pit bull+Mastiff= Bandog.
     
  5. 4PawsK9Svcs

    4PawsK9Svcs Good Dog

    I've heard of African Pit Bulls once. I was speaking to a hogdogger that used them, and he explained to me that these are APBTs crossed with Rhodesian Ridgebacks then crossed back to APBTs.
     
  6. jake01

    jake01 Puppy

    if at all possible could i ask someone to try and find some info on them for me it seems like this is the place to find out all i need to know about them thanks in advance to anyone who can help and to those who have already given me some info
     
  7. Miakoda

    Miakoda GRCH Dog

    African Pit Bull? This is the first I've ever heard of such term.

    The American Pit Bull Terrier is the one and only American Pit Bull Terrier. Sure, other breeds went into the creation/formation of this breed, but the end result was the APBT.
     
  8. jake01

    jake01 Puppy

    to my knowledge they are the result of pretty much the same breeding as the APBT but with some differences in apperance if you have a look at my pics in my profile you will see what i mean the male is the one you need to look at.
     
  9. Mollie's Nana

    Mollie's Nana Krypto Super Dog Staff Member Super Moderator

    Welcome to Pit Bull Chat!! :wave2:

    Glad you found us, stick around, there's tons to be learned here. :)
     
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  10. jake01

    jake01 Puppy

    i was told they were possibly known as an english pitty to given their supposed origin dont quote me on that it was just what i was told
     
  11. Nutty

    Nutty Little Dog

    right :)
     
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  12. jake01

    jake01 Puppy

    how can you say that the APBT is the only pittbull. there are numerous countries that have pittbulls africa included there is no way that every pitty in the world can be called a APBT when they dont even come from america. who can a dog whos complete bloodline has been bred in one country be called a APBT when he comes from say england or africa or any other country for that mater. i dont mean to sound rude but i just dont understand how that works
     
  13. Nutty

    Nutty Little Dog

    There are also American rottweilers, German shepherd dogs and Dobermans. but they look like Dobermans, German shepherds and Rottweilers. but these are pure bred dogs are bred pure. .... as in Germany, russia, poland that's all the same breed. I can not mix the ridgeback with a dachshund, and say: look here! this is the rare German ridgeback!
     
  14. megan

    megan Little Dog

    The American Pit Bull Terrier was brought into South Africa the first time, in April 1979 by Mr. Charlie Bents. Bought from Mr. Morris Carver in San Antonio ...

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    In africa (south africa) we use the African in front of a breed to idicate that it is a cross breed i.e it is very hard to say what it really is we often also call them township dogs as it is usually the dogs running around the townships that have not been fixed and having puppies with any female dog they can get hold off.
     
  15. hogar

    hogar Good Dog

    Jake01
    May I ask where you are getting your info from ??
    Where did you get the dog are they registered ???

    Jake the American Pit Bull Terrier( APB T) isa breed of dog and it does not matter what country the dog is bred in it is still an APBT it is a registered breed.

    found this online while searching for the African pitbull think this may help clear things up some


    The term "Pit Bull" correctly refers to the American Pit Bull Terrier (APBT) breed of dogs. This pure-breed is recognized by the United Kennel Club (UKC) and the American Dog Breeders Association (ADBA). The American Kennel Club (AKC) recognizes a breed known as the American Staffordshire Terrier (AmStaff). Both the UKC and ADBA recognize the AmStaff as an American Pit Bull Terrier.
    http://hubpages.com/hub/Pit_Bull_Whats_In_A_NameThe media, legislators, and others use the term "Pit Bull" incorrectly to describe a wide group of dogs which include several distinct breeds and types. Included in this group are American Pit Bull Terriers, American Staffordshire Terriers, and Staffordshire Bull Terriers. Often, Bull Terriers, American Bulldogs, and countless mixed-breed dogs with characteristics similar to any one of these breeds are included under this mis-named group. As a result, many people are confused about what a "Pit Bull" actually is, since the popular public definition is so wide and the breeds above actually share similar bloodline history and physical characteristics.
    This broad and incorrect use of the term "Pit Bull" is a fairly recent development, and seemingly the roots of the redefinition lie with the misinformed media. Along with the myriad myths propagated by careless reporting came misapplication of the nickname "Pit Bull". The American Pit Bull Terrier is the only breed with the words "pit" and "bull" actually in its name, and the only one of the above breeds/types that is most commonly, correctly, and historically, called a "Pit Bull".

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    So from what you are saying the term African pitbull is just referring to some mixed breed mutts
     
  16. Jim

    Jim Good Dog

    A great dane is called that and it doesn't come from denmark. The apbt was really developed and fine tuned in America and is the only pit bull.
     
  17. Nutty

    Nutty Little Dog

    here you can find the african AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER ;)
    Pitbull Federation of South Africa
    http://www.pbfsa.co.za/
     
  18. megan

    megan Little Dog

    Hogar, yes that is kinda what i am saying.There is no such thing as a African Pitbull. we put african in front of a breed to idicate the dog is a mutt. We have 1000 and 1000 of dogs running around the townships that are cross breeding with anything that is in heat. It is a really big problem in Africa. Also Jacke said he has a cross boerboel pitbull....now that is a problem waiting to happen....and a BIG plea out to him to PLS PLS PLS do not breed!!!! as bad as the rap is on APBT is in south africa the boerboel is right up there. with very baf tempers and agresion. (dont get me wrong the boerboel is a really good dog IF pure bread BUT a mix is calling for problems.

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    i will also post the blood lines that was inported in to s.a. and yes from there yes i am sure there was cross breading but the line can always be traced back to the below

    The HANK bloodline originated from a Pitbull known as 'Burtons Grand Champion Hank' bred out of 'Kepharts Tip' to 'Kepharts Susie'. 'Cummings Hank', although named Hank does not come from the Hank bloodline but rather comes off the 'Eli' line.


    [FONT=georgia,palatino]'BOLIO'[/FONT]
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    The Bolio lines originates from Indian Bolio R.O.M. Indain Bolio was a pure 'Carver' bred dog.



    [FONT=georgia,palatino]'CARVER'[/FONT]


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    "Carver" originated from Pitbulls imported into S.A by Charlie Bensch out of Carvers Kennels or which originated from Carver bloodlines.If one had to do a six to ten generation pedigree on your pitbull where you'd see names like "Carvers Diamond", "Carvers Amber", "Carvers Black Widow" etc, one would follow the line forward to see whether the Carver line was kept pure by continuos Carver-line breedings (out of "Benschs Liquorice Kid for example"). Many Pitbulls bred today have the Carver bloodline in them but are not pure due to the introduction of one of the other popular bloodlines in S.A today.Your Carver bloodline is one of the most popular & desirable bloodlines preferred as they are known to be the best "all-rounders" to own.


    [FONT=georgia,palatino]'SPIKE'[/FONT]

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    The "Spike" bloodline originated from a dog by the name of "Garners Gr Ch Spike" which was bred out of "Woods Snooty" to "Middletons Black Betty". "Jurgens Jack Daniels" was imported into S.A who was bred out of "Garners Gr Ch Spike" to "Brewers Spot" - hence the "Spike" line. Any dogs bred from Jack Daniels line was automatically recognised as being "Spike" dogs.





    [FONT=georgia,palatino]'ROCKY'[/FONT]
    Rocky originated from Chris Bekkers imported Pitbull "Bekkers Rocky" bred out of "Pyburns Joker" to "Pyburns Candy Cane". The "Rocky" line is one of the most common bloodlines in S.A today where a large percent of S.A Pitbulls have "Bekkers Rocky" in their pedigree.

    [FONT=georgia,palatino]'YELLOW'[/FONT]


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    The yellow line originated from Kirby's Ch Yellow John R.O.M who was a Bass'Tramp Red Boy breeding to Marlowes Red Feather. Once again we have a bloodline created from a R.O.M dog being Yellow John. The yellow line is also refered to as the Red Boy line.

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    The "Royal Red" bloodline originates from an imported Pitbull by the name of "Jurgens Royal Red" bred out of "Cummings Red Fox" to "Cummings Annie Oakley". The "Red Fox" line goes back to your old "Bullyson/Carver & Eli lines, where your "Annie Oakley" line goes back to your Woods Snooty/Boomerang/Bullyson & Carver lines.
     
  19. hogar

    hogar Good Dog

    Thank you for the info
    We have lots of dogs running lose here crossbreeding as well. even with our animal control some areas are over run with dogs
     
  20. megan

    megan Little Dog

    yes it is really bad, problem is that it is really dangerous for our spca and local shelters to go in the townships and also because a lot of the ppl being very poor they can not always get the doggies fixed or vet help. i must say they do there best to get food in there and get the dogs vet help.
     

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