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Adam Conover ruins the pure breed dog

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NobodyHere

Guest
A little bit of fact all wrapped up in one steaming pile of bullshit with a big pink bow on top.
 

BCdogs

Good Dog
Super Moderator
I agree with some of that... but getting a mutt does not guarantee better health either. If you want more of a guarantee, go to an ethical breeder that health tests. That's the best guarantee you'll get.
 
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NobodyHere

Guest
getting a mutt does not guarantee better health

Nor does inbreeding have to do with most of the shit they blamed it on in the video, or not to the extent that they blamed it on in the video...
 

BCdogs

Good Dog
Super Moderator
Nor does inbreeding have to do with most of the shit they blamed it on in the video, or not to the extent that they blamed it on in the video...

Yep...

Is this one of those anti-breeder shelter-sponsored videos?
 

_unoriginal

Cow Dog
I only made it 20 sec in. Assuming I didn't miss anything.

College Humor does a "funny because it's true" and this was more of "stupid because it's bullshit".
 

444

Big Dog
Premium Member
Two breeds of Chinese origin, created by the Victorian English ? Seems reasonable...
 

Lillie May

Good Dog
Its a whole load of bullshit.
Yeah x2. The only truth in it is the part about the English Bulldogs. I've read more than a few articles, as well as watched more than a couple tv shows discussing the health state of the breed. The AKC refuses to acknowledge the problem.
 

CarolineP

Little Dog
My boyfriend LOVES Bulldogs and always asks if we can have one, my response is if you will pay for all of the vet bills....
 

Pitbullmom1

Big Dog
Ya I've been begging for a French bulldog for years but have read recently that they only live for around 6-8 years and have bad health problems.
 

ruffiangirl

Little Dog
The AKC has nothing to do wih acknowledging the problems, the breed club should be the ones doing it. Breed clubs are where the AKC gets its standarss from, they are who purs forth the recommend health testing, breeders can also join breed clubs as well. The AKC is a registering body, nothing more, this is why the standards vary so much from breed to breed in how they are written.

Personally i dont agree with breeding extreme deformities purposly, i find the practice discusting, i like fully functional dogs, from nose to tail. After my shih tzu i wont have another, shes supermsweet, but she cant play hard with my other dogs or she starts coughing and gagging, its sad. Personally i will choose to not support a breeder who has them.

As for whathe says about health issues in purebreds, this is where its very important to support reputable, ethical breeders, in any breed or cross breed, these are the ones who breed for a purpose, they are breeding health tested dogs, dogs who have proven themselves in show/working rings. The knowtheir dogs lines, and are tryingto improve on the breed itself. I put cross breeders down, while they are rarely ethical or reputable, it does happen, i know some labradoodle lines that are 12 and 15 gens out from being cross bred, and have several generations of health testing, as well as doing working titles, plus there are people doinfg sport crosses, first gen, but they have titles and whatnot, its not black and white.
 

CrazyK9

Good Dog
Its not total bullshit. I fully agree that there are plenty of breeds we've fucked up beyond belief. I also think it would be very useful to start introducing other breeds to extinguish health problems in some genepools, like they did with the Dals.

That said, I didnt like the general tone of "fuck purebreds and breeders, go adopt a mutt because mutts are magically healthier" no.... doesnt work that way. There are good breeders and bad breeders of purebreds. They are intentional and accidental mutts. A golden crossed with a poodle doesn't equate a healthier dog. In fact, im hearing so many cases of epilepsy in those mutts its ridiculous. Genetic diversity is good but theres nothing wrong with improving upon a particular line by inbreeding and culling to eliminate problems. The issue is when we are inbreeding dogs for stupid cosmetic reasons and then ignoring the associated health problems.
 

Atheist

Good Dog
Actually I think there is a ton of truth in the video and frankly it is one of the reasons I have always been attracted to pit bulls. While most dogs were bred to conformation standards, which are actually an arbitrary set of standards, for size, color, build, temperament etc, achieved through selective inbreeding, based on dogs that were deemed worthy due to their accomplishments in the show ring which is essentially a beauty contest. Pit bulls and other working breeds, on the other hand came from a wide variety of dogs bred to perform the intense physical work, with less regard to conformation issues like size, color, build etc.

The actual result is that the practice of game breeding dogs, created a wide physical variety of successful dogs, for which athleticism, stamina, drive, determination and superior health is a cornerstone of their success. The original genetic pool was not as restrictive, and the resulting dogs have a greater variety of colors, builds, sizes etc, because the end result is not restricted to a very narrow standard for mutated physical traits as with many other pure breeds. The abolition of the game breeding has created a drive for closer bloodline breeding, and breeding for color, size, build etc. To be introduced into the pit bull gene pool all a dog had to do was prove itself to be a champion and it's blood would be introduced regardless of origin. Pit bulls were basically mixed breed dogs that performed extremely well and once proven in actual circumstances were allowed to be bred. This is the dilemna of the breed today. It has essentially become illegal to breed properly and will soon go the way of the English Bulldog as can be seen by the Am Bully trend, and other monster dogs bred solely to look a certain way without regard for the ability. It is sad. I am not a proponent for game breeding but it does create a superior dog to blood line or conformation breeding.
 

ruffiangirl

Little Dog
Soley bred for generations with no regard to health or structure, thats the caviet, one can breed to a standard from proven dogs in various sports, and the show ring, and have healthy functional dogs. This is why i, personally, will never buy from a breeder who only shows in conformation, i want to see working titles on theor dogs, and health testing.
 

CarolineP

Little Dog
This is why I wanted to become a breeder when I was younger, so I WOULDN'T be like this. I would love to be a breeder that actually follows the code of ethics with ambullys, and do my research on every dog before breedings, instead of saying "omg your dog is a blue brindle lets breed". Although we don't need more ambullys.
 
It really saddens me that a dogs structure has some how become "not important" to both owners and some breeders.

I here a lot of people talking about how judging a dog based on structure is jsut a "beauty contest"

Oh yeah? ever deal with a dog with back problems? knee problems? hip problems? elbow problems?
All of those things can be directly linked to poor and misaligned skeletal structure, one small misalignment can throw everything out of wack, it causes inflamation and sluggish organs due to pressure being put on them causing kidney, heart, even digestion issues. (not exclusivly of course)

Why do you think hundreds of American's buy and wear shoe inserts? or buy proper foot wear to begin with? due to poor structure.

of course SOME breeders take things to extreme- but that does not make structure any less important for good health nor does that make the breed standards irrelevant.

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