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A Well Bred Pit Bull WOULD or IS

Discussion in 'Breeder Discussion' started by Alan, Jan 9, 2008.

  1. Alan

    Alan Banned

    Someone once said, for every action there is an equal and oposite reaction. So, name things which you feel are a sign of a well bred Pit Bull. Maybe this list can help people pick the good from the bad dogs.
     
  2. Pit Bulldog

    Pit Bulldog Little Dog

    When looking for a pet: (1) dog that is not a 'man-biter' (intelligent protective dogs have never been considered man-biters), (2) good conformation, and (3) no health problems. Thats about all you can ask for when looking for a well bred pet.
     
  3. bahamutt99

    bahamutt99 Stealth ninja

    A well-bred Pit Bull would come right up to you as a friend he just hasn't met yet.
     
  4. ayobreezie

    ayobreezie Puppy

    A well bred APBT may have DA.
     
  5. Pit Bulldog

    Pit Bulldog Little Dog

    Ideally that would be the case with all of the apbt's. But when you get into certain lines and crosses of apbt's you can come across shy dogs that will go in the opposite direction 'til they get comfortable with yah. They are still well bred dogs, but require an extra gentle touch and patience to bring out their personalities.
     
  6. MaryC

    MaryC Little Dog

    I am going to steal from our web site but I really think it says it the best:
    • Highly affectionate toward people, even strangers and
      children
    • Loves physical affection and attention
    • Never redirects aggression on humans even during
      times of high arousal
    • Confident and not anxious (calm, cool, and collected)
    • Obedient; eager to please
    • Balanced, emotionally stable
    • Submissive but not to a point of lacking confidence or
      being fearful
    • A certain amount of intolerance toward other dogs is normal and acceptable in a Pit Bull
     
  7. Pit Bulldog

    Pit Bulldog Little Dog

    I have a question about the 'certain amount of intolerance toward other dogs'. What is that 'certain amount'? Is it somewhere between a pinch of intolerance and a bucketfull of livid rage? I am worried about my dog now. I think she exhibits a bit more than a pinch of intolerance sometimes. But its not quite a bucketfull of rage yet. What should I do? Do I think I should put her down?

    Also after reading this I am worried that I have a bad dog. She will not lick most adults she has just met for the first time. She just sits down next to them. Should I force her to lick them to make her a good dog?

    I also cant figure out if she is calm, cool, and collected. I think she is pretty cool. But she can be kind of a spaz. Oh, I am so confused now.
     
  8. bahamutt99

    bahamutt99 Stealth ninja

    To each their own. I've personally had my fill of shy, soft personalities. A little bit of softness I can tolerate. But I want to see a friendly dog who doesn't duck and run from strangers. Meeting new people should be their utopia. They're supposed to be fearless and courageous, bred to look death in the face and laugh at it, so what would they have to fear from a friendly human? IMO, shyness does not reflect the most breed-worthy temperament, and you shouldn't see more than an aberrant small amount of it in well-bred lines.
     
  9. Pit Bulldog

    Pit Bulldog Little Dog

    If I am not mistaken they were originally bred to fight each other, not people. So people shyness has nothing to do with 'looking death in the face and laugh[ing] at it'. In fact, I think there is no correlation between shyness and gameness.
     
  10. Pit Bulldog

    Pit Bulldog Little Dog

    Damn thing wont let me edit. So here is what I wanted to add:

    Overly shy dogs are a pain and are not for everyone. But they can be a part of a breeding program cause you can get rid of shyness while preserving other traits. As far as little shyness goes, its not that big of a deal.
     
  11. Patch O' Pits

    Patch O' Pits Good Dog

    A well bred Pit Bull is...
    ~ personality plus (a ham and attention hog)
    ~a breed that loves people (lovable)
    ~a dog will excel at any task it is given
    ~ the most versatile dog
    ~ energetic
    ~outgoing
    ~ a breed that exudes confidence
    ~athletic
    ~has good drive

    It would take forever to type it all so here is what really sums it up...

    A well bred APBT is the Total Package & IMO there is no breed that is better!!!!!

    I agree.
    A shy or timid APBT has a flawed temperament with the exceptions of total lack of socialization or abuse causing the issues. Since shyness is not something that should be associated with an APBT those dogs should not be included in a breeding program IMO.
    A shy APBT goes against what the standard calls for.
    Extreme Shyness is also cause for disqualification
     
  12. diva

    diva Good Dog

    A well bred pit bull is loyal.

    A well bred pit bull is intelligent.

    A well bred pit bull likes to work.
     
  13. bahamutt99

    bahamutt99 Stealth ninja

    That's just where we differ. I don't test for gameness, and don't place the level of importance on it that others do, so I have to rely on temperament. I absolutely insist on a sound temperament, and I think its the #1 most important thing right now, especially with the state of the breed today. "A little" shyness, fine, but I'd still consider it a flaw. Excessive shyness, no way. Not something I want to pass on. If the average person goes to say hello to a Pit Bull, and that dog bucks away, I don't think Mr. Average is going to walk away saying "Well, at least she's game."

    Extreme shyness is not that far off from fear-biting -- if a dog is that petrified, they may start thinking they need to strike first -- and is a liability. Same with excite biting, IMO. First and foremost, these dogs have got to be adaptable to our world. They aren't all going to be living on farms, never to see a stranger. In fact, I'd wager that most of them live in the suburbs or the city. There is no reason to breed a substantially "off" temperament, IMO. I wouldn't do it.

    From the UKC standard. And no matter how one feels about the UKC, I believe they've got the right idea on this one:

    "The essential characteristics of the American Pit Bull Terrier are strength, confidence, and zest for life. This breed is eager to please and brimming over with enthusiasm. ... The APBT is not the best choice for a guard dog since they are extremely friendly, even with strangers. Aggressive behavior toward humans is uncharacteristic of the breed and highly undesirable."
     
  14. Pit Bulldog

    Pit Bulldog Little Dog

    Yah, UKC standards are my favorite. Better yet AKC. An exteremely shy dog that is a fear biter should be culled.

    I've seen so many different personalities in performance bred dogs (none fear biters) that the whole notion of some standard sugar coated apbt personality type seems a bit unrealistic to me. But hey those dogs arent for everyone and good thing there are show dog breeders and UKC standard breeders to keep the masses who shouldnt own a performance bred dog happy.
     
  15. DieselDawg

    DieselDawg Good Dog

    I look for a curious dog...attentive stance...that ready to go look! He/She should be waggin' that tail and pushing up on you with thier body to show interest. From there it is our resposibility to keep them that way and cultivate a people friendly composure.
     
  16. tat2stuff

    tat2stuff Good Dog

    Is it more than a shit load? I would take precautions between a shit load of intolerance and a bucket full of livid rage, like keeping him on a tight leash around other dogs. If he goes over the bucket full of livid rage to maybe a dump truck load of uncontrolled frenzy, well then I would be concerned, but I wouldn't consider putting him down as DA is not a negative trait in Bulldogs ;)
     
  17. fearlessknight

    fearlessknight Good Dog

    I think a well bred APBT IS not supposed to be a protective dog! ;)
    There is so much more to this breed!
     
  18. Pit Bulldog

    Pit Bulldog Little Dog

    Really? What do you base your conclusions on? Please do some serious research about the breed and talk to some folks who have been seriously breeding these dogs for about 20-40 years.

    I agree, these are not the dogs one should get when looking for a dog to guard their property or for protection training. However, there are plenty of well bred apbt's that would bite the living daylights out of you if you were to attack their owner, yet they will wag their tail and happily lick you if you come with good intentions.

    Folks, stop sugar coating the breed, it only leads to more problems.
     
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  19. bahamutt99

    bahamutt99 Stealth ninja

    I wouldn't call a dog who protects their owner in an all-out attack "protective." I've lived with protective dogs. They don't need to be pushed to the extreme end; they will protect from minor and perceived threats as well. They will growl at strangers, and place themselves between their owner and any outsiders. One of my protective dogs used to cringingly place herself between people she knew who were rough-housing, as if to say "Hit me, but don't hit each other." That same dog ended up attacking a kid because she was so "protective" of her home and owner. :(

    I wouldn't call this breed protective. They were never bred to protect, and many of them wont protect. Loki had her protective response tested in a controlled situation -- aka, the TT test -- and her method was to walk out towards the stranger and play-bow at him. Which is just fine with me. I have guns to protect myself and protect my dogs. My dogs can protect me just by their reputation.

    It is not sugar-coating the breed to hold them up to high expectations.
     
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  20. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Staff Member Administrator

    The apbt is NOT a protection dog. A woman in Ontario, Canada, where they are banned was walking her 2 pit bulls down the street and she got jumped by a mob of people and her dogs sat and watched.
     

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