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4 year old Pitbull Mix showing aggression

Discussion in 'Training & Behavior' started by Sunnyday, Jun 2, 2010.

  1. magdalena

    magdalena Good Dog

    Crate training, the answer to HA...
  2. mnp13

    mnp13 Puppy

    Sorry, hit "post" too soon...

    I teach a class at a local training club. I've had MANY dogs through my class that act like this - some to family members, some not. It's a behavior that is workable, is it "ideal" for a Pit Bull? No. However, first, we're talking about a mix (and what it is mixed with has not even been asked!) and second, "kill the dog" is being thrown around like it's no big deal.

    And I've had to put down a dog because of temperament. So I HAVE been there, I've lived it.
  3. APBTlover09

    APBTlover09 GRCH Dog

    my thoughts exactly:no2:
  4. Nico326

    Nico326 Little Dog

    Sorry but HUGE red flag. How exactly can you train unpredictability out of a dog, especially a dog as strong willed as the average bulldog? All it takes is once...
  5. APBTlover09

    APBTlover09 GRCH Dog

    my thoughts exactly. :no2:
  6. mnp13

    mnp13 Puppy

    It is? You'll have to enlighten me with that one!
  7. APBTlover09

    APBTlover09 GRCH Dog

  8. Jazzy

    Jazzy GRCH Dog

    Just out of curiuosity...in terms of wanting to better understand the situation from a behavioral perspective...

    I know the OP says the barking ramped up over the past year; and the aggression appeared in the past 6 months; but barring an unsound dog, it does sound possible that the behavior could have escalated over time due to improper training and environmental cues.

    Now I understand the situation is very serious due to the presence of children; and "the horse may already be out of the barn" so to speak - meaning that the situation has gotten too far beyond the OP to safely intervene at this point (so yes I get everyone's concern and advice to PTS - and that may be the OP's best option).

    However I would still be very curious to know:

    What sort of training has this dog had, what methods were used, how long did it go on and who did it? How well trained is the dog - does it respond reliably to sit, down, come, does it walk appropriately on a loose leash?

    When the behavior of barking at people in front of the house began (never mind growling; when the barking started) how was it addressed? Have you continued to use this method to address the behavior or did people stop attempting to intevene and allow the behavior to take place?

    How was the dog socialized?

    How was the dog introduced to children? Were all interactions supervised? Were the children taught how to interact approproately with the dog? Was rough play allowed or not permitted?

    How much exercise does the dog get and for how often? What sort of mental stimulation does the dog get and how often?

    Forgive my curiosity; I am always very interested in the progression of problematic behaviors and how they develop.
  9. APBTlover09

    APBTlover09 GRCH Dog

    and so is... " keep the unstable dog alive and manage it" is being thrown around, like its NO big deal.

    bleeding hearts and unstable dogs are one of the 10000000000000000000000000000000 reasons, why our bulldog breeds is in the shitter :( :'(

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  10. mnp13

    mnp13 Puppy

    Not by me.

    I've barely seen you or anyone else here even bother to ask any questions deep enough to find out if a dog IS unstable.

    Oh, your dog did xyz? kill it! It's unstable!

    You have NO IDEA if it's unstable because you know nothing about the dog.

    Age? Training? History? Medical? other temperament? family? recent house hold changes? living situation? food changes? allergies? new pets? injuries?

    My female was fought before I got her. How do I know this? Because the guy I got her from told us about it (oops! three kennels were left open all at the same time, funny how that happens, and funny how it was supervised.) He also cropped her litter's ears at his house with scissors, he told us about that too. Great guy. She had a few "issues" with men when I brought her home, gee, I wonder why - If I had posted about her you would have told me to kill her. Know what I did? I took some obedience classes, took some agility classes, did some confidence work... and that same dog spent many years as a therapy dog. Funny what a little effort and training does. She's 8 and a half, you people would have had her dead at a year. She's as soft and stable a dog as anyone could ever want. She just needed to learn that the world was not her enemy.

    So, yes, you'll have to excuse me if I don't join your "kill him" parade. I prefer to actually find out what the problem is, and maybe save the ones that aren't really a problem in the first place.

    Do some need to be put down? YES. Sadly, some dogs need a lot of management, and some owners are not up to the task. But that's not ALL of them.
  11. Jazzy

    Jazzy GRCH Dog

    Ahem...read up one post please. :D
  12. CoolHandJean

    CoolHandJean Krypto Super Dog

    People are all going to have different opinions on this topic.

    Let's try to all hear each other out, and the OP can shift through it and see what they want to do.
  13. Jazzy

    Jazzy GRCH Dog

    Very well said CHJ.

    That would be a forum functioning at it's finest.
  14. mnp13

    mnp13 Puppy

    You would be the exception. And besides you and me (and one or two others, we are the vast minority)... it's pretty much crickets and tumble weeds...

    and the deafening bandwagon of "kill the dog" on thread after thread after thread....
  15. Jazzy

    Jazzy GRCH Dog

    So...stick around!!!

    Imagine how boring and useless the forum would be if it only delivered one point of view.

    I actually post more here than on another forum where I feel I tend to philosophically fit in better...because who likes preaching to the choir? It's more interesting, and I think more valuable; bringing an alternate point of view to generate thought and discussion when that viewpoint does not hold with the majority. (As long as one truly holds to that point of view and believes it to have merit; I don''t want to come off sounding like a shit stirrer...:p)
  16. Nico326

    Nico326 Little Dog

    I wholeheartedly agree a complete understanding of why dogs do what they do is needed. The problem to me is, the vast majority of owners do not have the experience/time/money/resources/etc to really properly evaluate and take well thought out steps to mitigate serious aggression issues. Personally I consider any dog lunging at toddlers a serious aggression issue due to the extremely out of proportion bite and death rates of those under 10 years old. I have 2 small kids myself and have caught the older one "disciplining" the dog in completely inappropriate ways even though he knows better. Luckily my dog is tolerant and so far has been nothing short of stellar with the kids and everyone else he meets. Strange small kids no problem, big scary looking people acting weird, no problem. Not a huge fan of other dogs, but you know that's a whole other issue. :p

    But guess what, my son is 6 years old and kids can be unpredictable so as a responsible parent I do everything I can to mitigate chances of an incident. He's been involved in training since the dog was 4 months old, he feeds and takes care of the dog from time to time, etc. That said, it's a moot point if he's attacked or killed because the dog was having a "bad day", he was hitting the dog and it reacted or whatever other reason anyone can come up with. My son would be dead or injured and I would be responsible, ESPECIALLY if it has already showed aggressive tendencies in the past. The best indicator of future behavior is past actions as I'm sure you know. In line with being a responsible parent, my kids come first over any dog. Do you honestly believe someone resorting to asking this question on an internet forum has the experience or resources available to properly manage a dog with these tendencies for the rest of it's natural life? Because this is not quick fix sort of problem. It's going to be an ongoing process of behavior modification and extremely careful management at all times for the next 10 years or so. Do you not agree? Sorry but to me it's not worth the risk. Like I said previously, personally I would have the dog evaluated for medical problems then go from there.
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  17. Jazzy

    Jazzy GRCH Dog

    I don't disagree with the above.

    I do wonder though if it wouldn't be more helpful to people in that position to have someone knowledgable about dog training/behavior outline for them exactly what steps it would take to work with the dog, what it would entail and for how long, how much it may cost, the sacrifices/lifestyle changes one would need to make for the sake of managment, etc.

    In a teeny tiny percentage of cases; it may point someone who is truly motivated in the right direction. And I think that sharing knowledge, experience and expertise is a wonderful thing.

    In the majority of cases the people may decide on their own that the amount of time, intensity, work, level and length of commitment and vigilence needed to maintain a safe situation is simply beyond what they want to or feel capable of taking on. Then instead of getting defensive that someone just blanketly suggested PTS and looking about for the next quick fix (perhaps renting episodes of The Dog Whisperer from Netflix)....they may come to the conclusion on their own that they don't want to put that kind of time, work, money and effort into a dog (and they may; in my perfect world...then move on to a tortoise).
    *No disrespect to tortoise's intended...for all I know they may require a good bit of work as well.
  18. PatienceFlame

    PatienceFlame Good Dog

    Let me start by saying this sounds like a personality issue not an issue with health. What is he mixed with? do you know anything about his background (parents ect?)
    there are many reasons for this and if it has been going on for a year it may have been in development for a long time. I'd seriously look into getting him evaluated. if he passes seek some help from a trainer who knows aggressive dogs. If he fails or you cannot aford a trainer or refuse a trainer you NEED to realize he will hurt someone one day and the best thing to do is PTS. It may sound harsh but it is to protect children and the public. btw, most people wait until it is too late so hope you realize this before something bad happens and do something about it.

    good luck
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  19. Sorry to say this but everyone else did you should have him put down (asap) in the same week he did that he should have been put tp sleep no im sorry the the same day. He is goin after toddlers wow plz dont be one these people we see on the news.:violent084:
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  20. APBTlover09

    APBTlover09 GRCH Dog

    all i'm going to say is that my baby comes first before the dogs. I LOVE my dogs, but if any of them ever show any (human) aggression, and i will PTS.:(

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