[buddysmom]

I am curious as to why so many pit bull enthusiasts seem to hate the HSUS so much.

PETA I understand. They suck in every way. They are evil.

But some people seem to look at HSUS the same way. Now I know they aren't perfect -- but I can see they do some good things, and I don't see them supporting BSL or kidnapping and murdering pets like PETA does.

So for those who hate HSUS too, why?

[fearlessknight]

Nice debate, I would like to see the outcome of this myself!

I do not "hate" them, but I think they can be twisted at times....not as bad as PETA I agree!
I think for the most part the welfare of the animal is put first....JMHO

[maryellen]

the HSUS says they have a location in Washington DC.. there is NO location. the HSUS's financial records are open to the public, look at their money.. they have MILLIONS.. yet NO MONEY HAS GONE TO ANY SHELTER OR ANIMALS..

they get a ton of donations... but NEVER donate any of those donations to any shelters...

http://www.ncraoa.com/articles/AR/Ed...DAL_Merger.pdf

http://www.furcommission.com/news/newsF03i.htm

[bahamutt99]

I don't like them because I don't like their campaigns. Its one thing to help animals, and another to support mandatory spay/neuter, or better yet, breed-specific mandatory spay/neuter. What else do they support? Anti-tether? Anti-crop? I don't know, but I get the feeling their ideals wouldn't mesh with mine.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=iCP3NqR_554

[simms]

Originally Posted by Laken1111 nice idea with the bus ill make sure to do that no i didnt know i could get them S/N at 6 weeks i will do that as for my male he is. And my female will be. And as for the money well ive been lucky enough to run into some large amount of it. I dont really need the 100 for each pup i was going to give them away for free but then decided that a donation to the local SPCA would be nice. And if you read my posts they are more then anything saying i FUCKED up so no its not your faults but i think that the way you all well most of you responed from sure chases away ppl who really need advice.

Dont donate to the spca, they have enough donations coming in.... besides the fact that your money donated will go to lobby in favor of BSL or regulations to pet owners. If you realy want to make a differernce set up a fund at your primary DVM office for an anon angel fund.

What that can do is actualy help with medical procedures or perscriptions, vaccinations for ppl that realy want to help and keep thier animals.

get out of that shelter before you realy get your brain twisted!

[Rai_77]

Originally Posted by simms Dont donate to the spca, they have enough donations coming in.... besides the fact that your money donated will go to lobby in favor of BSL or regulations to pet owners. If you realy want to make a differernce set up a fund at your primary DVM office for an anon angel fund. What that can do is actualy help with medical procedures or perscriptions, vaccinations for ppl that realy want to help and keep thier animals. get out of that shelter before you realy get your brain twisted!

Do you have any links supporting your allegations against the SPCA? I've never seen or heard of one like that. And my local SPCA sure in the hell doesn't support BSL.

[simms]

Originally Posted by Rai_77 Do you have any links supporting your allegations against the SPCA? I've never seen or heard of one like that. And my local SPCA sure in the hell doesn't support BSL.

SPCA HSUS is all the same do they support local laws yes they do. Do they support federal laws ...again yes they do!

[Rai_77]

Originally Posted by simms SPCA HSUS is all the same do they support local laws yes they do. Do they support federal laws ...again yes they do!

The HSUS and the SPCA are *not* the same thing at all, you might want to do some more research on it.

[simms]

Originally Posted by Rai_77 Do you have any links supporting your allegations against the SPCA? I've never seen or heard of one like that. And my local SPCA sure in the hell doesn't support BSL.

Originally Posted by Rai_77 The HSUS and the SPCA are *not* the same thing at all, you might want to do some more research on it.

http://www.spca.org/site/PageServer?...p_Dog_Fighting

They are the same to me, both super giants in the AR crusaid. I dont respect or endorce either org.

[Rai_77]

Originally Posted by simms http://www.spca.org/site/PageServer?...p_Dog_Fighting They are the same to me, both super giants in the AR crusaid. I dont respect or endorce either org.

That link shows a story about how they want to prevent and stop the illegal practice of dogfighting. Do you support dogfighting, or am I just missing something?

And actually, that is one of the better articles on dogfighting, because it didn't emphasize the pitbull aspect, it emphasized the cruelty and illegality of the whole thing.

I have had nothing but awesome experiences at my SPCA, so to hear someone speak negatively of the the organization, I'd like to see some legit links showing why that person feels that way.

[simms]

Originally Posted by Rai_77 That link shows a story about how they want to prevent and stop the illegal practice of dogfighting. Do you support dogfighting, or am I just missing something? And actually, that is one of the better articles on dogfighting, because it didn't emphasize the pitbull aspect, it emphasized the cruelty and illegality of the whole thing. I have had nothing but awesome experiences at my SPCA, so to hear someone speak negatively of the the organization, I'd like to see some legit links showing why that person feels that way.

They ask for endorcements for thier crusaid. Then in turn lobby to regulate change in thier communities. Laws dont fix the problem it only hinders the community. Beleive that one hand washes the other....

Dogfighting is illegal.....

[Rai_77]

Originally Posted by simms They ask for endorcements for thier crusaid. Then in turn lobby to regulate change in thier communities. Laws dont fix the problem it only hinders the community. Beleive that one hand washes the other.... Dogfighting is illegal.....

To be fair, every cause needs to be supported, of course they have to fundraise. But I don't see what cause you are disagreeing with?

And if you don't support laws, what would your solution be to dogfighting and other forms of animal cruelty?

[buddysmom]

Originally Posted by simms Dogfighting is illegal.....

DAMN there go my plans for the rest of the weekend. What trouble I might have been in if you hadn't pointed this out! You are my hero, dude!!

Seriously Rai, thanks for pursuing this question. The ASPCA and affiliates seem like some of the finer animal WELFARE organizations in North America. I am getting EXTREMELY sick of seeing some people trying to discredit every person and group who works to prevent animal cruelty by likening them to PETA.

[GHOST]

Originally Posted by Rai_77 To be fair, every cause needs to be supported, of course they have to fundraise. But I don't see what cause you are disagreeing with? And if you don't support laws, what would your solution be to dogfighting and other forms of animal cruelty?

They need to mined they're own business and quit trying to regulate the pitbull world,,, what about all these ppl that are selling dogs to research facilities and medical causes but you don''t see them all up in there business,,,, no they want to percicute JOHN Q. PUBLIC for owning a pitbull,,,you know this world would be alot better place if ppl worried more about themselve instead of trying to run someone else in the ground

[Rai_77]

Originally Posted by buddysmom DAMN there go my plans for the rest of the weekend. What trouble I might have been in if you hadn't pointed this out! You are my hero, dude!! Seriously Rai, thanks for pursuing this question. The ASPCA and affiliates seem like some of the finer animal WELFARE organizations in North America. I am getting EXTREMELY sick of seeing some people trying to discredit every person and group who works to prevent animal cruelty by likening them to PETA.

I love my SPCA, they are a great organization, and they do a lot to support responsible pitbull ownership in my area. They even pay people to spay and neuter their pitbulls (and pitbull mixes), which is great. There is a serious overpop problem here with the breed, and the program is great for low-income people who otherwise wouldn't be able to afford a speuter.

[simms]

Originally Posted by Rai_77 To be fair, every cause needs to be supported, of course they have to fundraise. But I don't see what cause you are disagreeing with? And if you don't support laws, what would your solution be to dogfighting and other forms of animal cruelty?

That was just an easy example to pull up for you. I dont care to solve dogfighting or animal cruelty. On the local and federal level thay can not enforce the basic welfare needs.

.1 Food
.2 Water
.3 Shelter
.4 Medical
.5 Required vaccine, Rabies.

I dont endorce or support these orgs for many reasons. If there not perpetuating the cycle of the revolving door they are storm trooping someone's life and property. Do they support the AR agenda ...yes! Do they make the rules up as they go....yes, yes they do!

[Rai_77]

Originally Posted by GHOST They need to mined they're own business and quit trying to regulate the pitbull world,,, what about all these ppl that are selling dogs to research facilities and medical causes but you don''t see them all up in there business,,,, no they want to percicute JOHN Q. PUBLIC for owning a pitbull,,,you know this world would be alot better place if ppl worried more about themselve instead of trying to run someone else in the ground

If we have any hope of saving this breed...we need to work together to do it. And that does not involve "mined they're own business".

And sorry, but it *is* my business when some jackass isn't taking responsbility for his dogs and I have to deal with the consequences of that every single damn time I walk my dog. I'm sick and f**king tired of people acting like I'm walking a damn mountain lion, all because some moron I don't even know couldn't control his dog and sh*t hit the fan!

You need to acknowledge that BSL is an extreme reaction to a real issue, and that issue is that people aren't being responsible dog owners.

[simms]

Originally Posted by Rai_77 I love my SPCA, they are a great organization, and they do a lot to support responsible pitbull ownership in my area. They even pay people to spay and neuter their pitbulls (and pitbull mixes), which is great. There is a serious overpop problem here with the breed, and the program is great for low-income people who otherwise wouldn't be able to afford a speuter.

Hell they have legistlated mandatory spay and nueter in LA, sanfransico to I beleive? Although that is noble to encourage spay and nueter are they in favor of responsible breeding?

[simms]

Originally Posted by Rai_77 If we have any hope of saving this breed...we need to work together to do it. And that does not involve "mined they're own business". And sorry, but it *is* my business when some jackass isn't taking responsbility for his dogs and I have to deal with the consequences of that every single damn time I walk my dog. I'm sick and f**king tired of people acting like I'm walking a damn mountain lion, all because some moron I don't even know couldn't control his dog and sh*t hit the fan! You need to acknowledge that BSL is an extreme reaction to a real issue, and that issue is that people aren't being responsible dog owners.

I have a solution for that and it is to put that beast on a chain! LOL

[Rai_77]

Originally Posted by simms That was just an easy example to pull up for you. I dont care to solve dogfighting or animal cruelty. On the local and federal level thay can not enforce the basic welfare needs. .1 Food .2 Water .3 Shelter .4 Medical .5 Required vaccine, Rabies. I dont endorce or support these orgs for many reasons. If there not perpetuating the cycle of the revolving door they are storm trooping someone's life and property. Do they support the AR agenda ...yes! Do they make the rules up as they go....yes, yes they do!

Hmmm....well I don't know why you wouldn't want to end dogfighting or cruelty, but that's your choice, obviously, not mine.

The SPCA and AC do enforce the neglect laws, actually, which is why some people lose their dogs when they don't provide proper care.

As far as the vaccines, the local AC does a rabies clinic the 1st Wednesday of every month for $5 per pet. I think that does a lot to help.

Ultimately, if you can't give those basics to your pet, you shouldn't have one, it's not really the SPCA's job to do those things for you.