[Grizzly]

Looking at the old photos of the EBT, it's amazing how much through breeding the shape of the head has changed.....

[Zoom]

Wow...

That one with the four EBT's, they have an almost Dobermann-ish look to their heads. Quite a change to the "eggheads" we see nowadays.

Do you think it will ever go back to the old style and/or should it?

[Grizzly]

Originally Posted by Zoom Wow... That one with the four EBT's, they have an almost Dobermann-ish look to their heads. Quite a change to the "eggheads" we see nowadays. Do you think it will ever go back to the old style and/or should it?

I would say that we will never see them again as they used to look. They also appear to be much stockier and more compact now than they were a century ago when they seemed to look leaner and more athletic.

[Michele]

I liked the way they looked way back when...

[screamin'eagle]

I've posted these before, but since its applicable here...

Here is a study of bull terrier skulls, and the changes that have occurred since the 1930's (1st pic) 1950's (2nd pic) and the 1980's (3rd pic)



Of course there changes occured when the Bull Terriers main work (dog fighting, and large animal baiting) went away and show breeders tried to idealize working qualities. Thus, a long punishin jaw as per an old breed standard become overdone in the show circle. On the other hand a direct working descendant bred for working abilities does still exist today. The Hinks Bull Terriers were exported to Pakistan where they are still used primarily for bear baiting (and dog fighting) today. Here is a picture of a Hinks descendant Gull Terrier from Pakistan...



and on of a more standard Gull Terrier...




Both still carry the more punishing long jaws, and athletic bodies that were passed on by their ancestors as depicted in the original post. (BTW JP Colby also exported alot of dogs to Pakistan, and there is also alot of ABPT influence in some lines of Gull Terriers as well!)

[Grizzly]

Originally Posted by screamin'eagle I've posted these before, but since its applicable here... Here is a study of bull terrier skulls, and the changes that have occurred since the 1930's (1st pic) 1950's (2nd pic) and the 1980's (3rd pic) Of course there changes occured when the Bull Terriers main work (dog fighting, and large animal baiting) went away and show breeders tried to idealize working qualities. Thus, a long punishin jaw as per an old breed standard become overdone in the show circle. On the other hand a direct working descendant bred for working abilities does still exist today. The Hinks Bull Terriers were exported to Pakistan where they are still used primarily for bear baiting (and dog fighting) today. Here is a picture of a Hinks descendant Gull Terrier from Pakistan... and on of a more standard Gull Terrier... Both still carry the more punishing long jaws, and athletic bodies that were passed on by their ancestors as depicted in the original post. (BTW JP Colby also exported alot of dogs to Pakistan, and there is also alot of ABPT influence in some lines of Gull Terriers as well!)

Those skull photos are an excellent example of the "in my opinion" harm done to the dog by wrongful breeding. Don't get me wrong...I like the EBT, but I would have rather seen it stay like the vintage pictures or the photos of the more "true to the original" Pakistany version.

[lunadogge]

Here is the article from where I believed the pictures of those skulls came from.
http://www.terrierman.com/rosettestoruin.htm

[screamin'eagle]

Originally Posted by lunadogge Here is the article from where I believed the pictures of those skulls came from. http://www.terrierman.com/rosettestoruin.htm

yep, and that is a great article that discusses form vs. function so to speak.

[Kat & Ali]

WOW it is amazing how they have changed so much, and those pictures if the skulls are amazing. To see it like that is unbelieable.

In the picture of the 4 you can defo see the Bullie Stance, they stand so strong and proud

[joethebully]

I would love to publish an article in my free newsletter that highlights these old photos. Can someone send them to me by going to our web page which is www.jbullterr.com and click on email us.

Those are great vinatage photos.

[joethebully]

Originally Posted by Zoom Wow... That one with the four EBT's, they have an almost Dobermann-ish look to their heads. Quite a change to the "eggheads" we see nowadays. Do you think it will ever go back to the old style and/or should it?

The Dalmation type is still quite alive and well in the south florida area. We get many of them that come into our rescues. Also small size dogs that are of the dalmation type - difficult to tell if they are mini or not.

[screamin'eagle]

Originally Posted by joethebully ...Can someone send them to me...

done

[Fuego]

good info here.