With the ever rising speculation of the average idiot thinking he knows your dogs because he watches the news every night, you may want to tighten up and get a few people to back your play if the crap ever hits the fan.

Number (1) would be having a good working relationship with your Vet. Next (2) would be to have Animal Control document your dogs if there is one in your area and (3) would just be people that live around you that see you feed and water and care for them every day.

Reason for this is you never know when you will have a Stray dog enter your yard as I have had in the past. One recent event was the hunting dogs running in my area and getting lost and running up into one of my chain spots and getting a big surprise! Hounds don't fight if they don't have to but when a bull dog gets a hold of them they have no choice but to retaliate to get away.

This being the case, your dog may incur some injuries from this unfortunate event. So the best thing to do is call your Vet and let him know that said dog has just been in a scrap and may or may not need to be seen by the Vet. Rabies would be something to worry about regardless of shots anyway. Your dog would need to have another inoculation after something like this for good measure.

Report any injuries on your dog to the Vet and give the best description you can about visible cuts and scrapes on the dog if he is not able to make a house call or you can't leave at that time. With this documentation listed with your Vet or AC officer could save you a lot of heart ache later down the road.

Having a Vet that comes out to your house gives you some ground to stand firm on if anyone has a problem with you or your dogs. Stay ahead of the eight ball so if and when someone throws down a high card, You'll have an ACE in the hole. Thanks, Billy J

[DieselDawg]

What is your point? This posts makes no sense what-so-ever! The only interesting part was the reference to pool and poker...lol

Some of us have kennels and this is why you don't undersatand this post! This is more for the Gamedog owners!

Originally Posted by DieselDawg What is your point? This posts makes no sense what-so-ever! The only interesting part was the reference to pool and poker...lol

[CoolHandJean]

Made sense to me. Sounds like he is saying that if you document accidents like the hounds getting in the yard to the Vet, if you get accused of fighting your dogs, you can have documents stating that the scars that might be obtained aren't from the "pit" but from an accident...
I might have misunderstood him though, but that's what I got from the post...
Though I wouldn't want an AC nosing around my property, mainly, because they seem to see things that aren't there.

[DieselDawg]

Well Mr Gamedog, why don't you enlighten the ignorant masses as myself as to how reporting this to a VET is going to save you down the road and from what?

"Hello VET, my dog just got into a scrap with a stray intruder and may or may not need to be seen...he has two small punctures and one abrasion...he might or might not need a booster but either I am too busy to come see you or I know you don't make house calls". Whew, I am sure glad I documented this for future reference!

I guess, although you did not make it clear at all, if you are having dog fights (or accused of the same)...then making a report that certain injuries are from a stray than happen chanced into your "kennels" might make sense?

So again I ask, what is the specific purpose of reporting any and all "injuries to your VET and ANIMAL CONTROL?

[DieselDawg]

LOL, I was typing the same response...that was all I could get out of it. Would have helped if he said he had kennels in the first post and why he needed to document every incident.

[Michele]

Originally Posted by DieselDawg Well Mr Gamedog, why don't you enlighten the ignorant masses as myself as to how reporting this to a VET is going to save you down the road and from what? "Hello VET, my dog just got into a scrap with a stray intruder and may or may not need to be seen...he has two small punctures and one abrasion...he might or might not need a booster but either I am too busy to come see you or I know you don't make house calls". Whew, I am sure glad I documented this for future reference! I guess, although you did not make it clear at all, if you are having dog fights (or accused of the same)...then making a report that certain injuries are from a stray than happen chanced into your "kennels" might make sense? So again I ask, what is the specific purpose of reporting any and all "injuries to your VET and ANIMAL CONTROL?

If I owned a pit bull, and that dog was in my yard playing and having fun but then the dog got hurt, not seriously, maybe a scratch on the leg or something, you better believe I would call my Vet and let them know. There are too many nosy ass people that like to mind everyone else's business and that worries me. Cover your ass...game dog owner, pet owner, whatever it is. There's too many nosy people in this world.

Have you ever seen a hog dog, hunting dog or a dog that's been in a yard scrap? These dogs get cut up and when un-invited snoops come around they assume the person is doing something illegal with the dog! The stigma is thick with the uneducated public and many people find them selves a victim of discrimination because of the type dog they have and hunt with. Let's take you and your dog for "i.e.". You take Happy to the park and today Happy isn't happy and bites a Lab that's been bugging him for the last half hour. Old Lab takes a bite out of Happys muzzle and leaves a nice big cut! Well, you walked to the park and have to walk him home now. People passing by are looking at you and the dog thinking, Yep another dog fighter. Now do you get my point!!! You know and I know what happened to Happy but stupid people assume... Thank you.

Originally Posted by DieselDawg LOL, I was typing the same response...that was all I could get out of it. Would have helped if he said he had kennels in the first post and why he needed to document every incident.

[debo-dumbo-ears]

I understand the point, but let me ask this: what are the chances of someone actually getting convicted of dog fighting if the only evidence is a few old scars & regular dog keep stuff? Wouldn't there always be enough of a reasonable doubt that the scars came from an accidental scrap, as the defendant claims?

Again, like I said, I understand the point, & if there's something someone can do to prevent being charged w/ a crime, then of course that is preferable. But I'd still like to believe we have the right to innocence until proven guilty in this country - guilt proven by real evidence, not speculation. But, I've also been accused of being a pessamist & I don't believe that our justice system is 100% always just. JMO's

[DieselDawg]

I get the point in a way. I was just wondering why the first post had to be so cryptic. No mention of kennels, no mention of abuse issues, not posted in the BSL section, no mention of Hog Dogs, nothing. It just seemed to have no point. Now knowing where the post is coming from, sure I would visit my VET and get it down that something happened and my dog was not the aggressor...makes sense.

[tat2stuff]

Originally Posted by Billy J Some of us have kennels and this is why you don't undersatand this post! This is more for the Gamedog owners!

even those who don't have kennels should heed to this advise, Gamedog owner or not, this effects everyone. People today are ignorant and see through the eyes of the media monster. I have 3 dogs, an APBT, a "pit bull" and a mutt. They all play hard in the yard, I have a springpole set up and they work a flirt pole too. To the uneducated that watch the news and CSI episodes, I could be viewed as a dog fighter conditioning and rolling my dogs. All my dogs have scars and fresh scrapes and cuts (in all the right places) from playing with each other. If your a step ahead if something does happen, it could mean the difference between loosing your dogs and even facing criminal charges. I also fit the "profile" as I am covered with tattoos and people ass ume I'm into shady shit already anyway.

[tat2stuff]

Originally Posted by debo-dumbo-ears I understand the point, but let me ask this: what are the chances of someone actually getting convicted of dog fighting if the only evidence is a few old scars & regular dog keep stuff? Wouldn't there always be enough of a reasonable doubt that the scars came from an accidental scrap, as the defendant claims? Again, like I said, I understand the point, & if there's something someone can do to prevent being charged w/ a crime, then of course that is preferable. But I'd still like to believe we have the right to innocence until proven guilty in this country - guilt proven by real evidence, not speculation. But, I've also been accused of being a pessamist & I don't believe that our justice system is 100% always just. JMO's

Cottonwood man gets 102 year prison term for dogfighting

Associated Press



A Houston County judge has sentenced a Cottonwood man convicted of staging dogfights to 102 years in prison.
Circuit Judge Ed Jackson sentenced Johnny Ray Lewis, 42, at a Tuesday hearing. The jail term represents six years in prison for each of the 17 felony counts. Lewis was convicted by a jury on Sept. 27 of possessing dogs with the intent to train the animals for fighting.
He was also fined $34,000 and faced a possible sentence of a year and a day up to 10 years per charge.
Jackson said he sentenced Lewis to what he called a "mid-range" sentence.
"It is a type of case that is sensitive to the public," he said as he announced the sentence.
Authorities seized 17 pit bulls from his residence in August 2005. All were later euthanized. Lewis was arrested on a similar charge in 1995 but those charges were dismissed.
The Houston County Assistant District Attorney Butch Binford said the case generated e-mails from across the country.
"They were very concerned or upset, and they just thought it was extremely cruel the way these animals were treated," Binford said. "They hoped Judge Jackson would sentence the defendant to a lengthy prison term."
Prosecutors said its likely Lewis will serve at least 34 years in prison.
The federal prison sentence NFL star Michael Vick could face for dogfighting charges pales in comparison to Lewis' sentence. Vick, a former star quarterback for the Atlanta Falcons, could get up to five years in federal prison when he is sentenced on Dec. 10.
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Information from: The Dothan Eagle

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I don't think they actually caught this guy matching dogs.

I also had a link to a guy who was conditioning his dogs for weight pull and his neighbors called the police and AC claiming he was training fighting dogs, but I can't find it now.

[debo-dumbo-ears]

Originally Posted by tat2stuff Cottonwood man gets 102 year prison term for dogfighting Lewis was convicted by a jury on Sept. 27 of possessing dogs with the intent to train the animals for fighting.

Sheesh, if that's true - he wasn't actually caught matching dogs - then that's a bunch of crap. I stand by my last statement then - our justice system isn't 100% just.

I think I remember the other one your talking about - the guy conditioning his dog for weight pull. That was more my point originally - he had some nosy ass, stupid neighbors & he ended up being "investigated," but nothing came of it right? I guess it doesn't matter though, if you have to worry about crap like getting 102 yrs for speculation. Better safe than sorry.

Did not mean to be Cryptic about the issue some times I assume people should know what I'm babbling about. Everyone is at risk now days with this breed and at any moment someone can make a call to AC and have them up your butt. Their called Hater's!!!

Originally Posted by DieselDawg I get the point in a way. I was just wondering why the first post had to be so cryptic. No mention of kennels, no mention of abuse issues, not posted in the BSL section, no mention of Hog Dogs, nothing. It just seemed to have no point. Now knowing where the post is coming from, sure I would visit my VET and get it down that something happened and my dog was not the aggressor...makes sense.

i got 1 word for you............Nu-Stock.............shit I don't know.....maybe that's 2 words!

[fearlessknight]

Originally Posted by DieselDawg Well Mr Gamedog, why don't you enlighten the ignorant masses as myself as to how reporting this to a VET is going to save you down the road and from what? "Hello VET, my dog just got into a scrap with a stray intruder and may or may not need to be seen...he has two small punctures and one abrasion...he might or might not need a booster but either I am too busy to come see you or I know you don't make house calls". Whew, I am sure glad I documented this for future reference! I guess, although you did not make it clear at all, if you are having dog fights (or accused of the same)...then making a report that certain injuries are from a stray than happen chanced into your "kennels" might make sense? So again I ask, what is the specific purpose of reporting any and all "injuries to your VET and ANIMAL CONTROL?

With all due respect...when that crap happened with us, we were advised by this......and we live by it to this day....our dogs can be seen from the road, and people LOOK....then they talk...then they report.....(make a call).....it is ALWAYS best if you did your part first......like at a job, writing down all incidents that happen about whatever it is your are reporting, you like to have it documented..on paper...this is why, same reasoning.......

Now having said all of this, Diesel (I still feel the same way )

[fearlessknight]

I am posting again, to make myself clear................

If I lived in the middle of the country and had my dogs in the house, or in an 8ft privacy fence, that NOBODY could ever see or hear anything, I would NEVER SAY ONE WORD TO ANYONE ABOUT ANYTHING....because NOBODY WOULD EVEN KNOW I HAD DOGS!

[Chiapit]

I see where this makes some sense...I am just (personally) leery of AC, however I would report any incidents to my vet.

[CoolHandJean]

Originally Posted by debo-dumbo-ears I understand the point, but let me ask this: what are the chances of someone actually getting convicted of dog fighting if the only evidence is a few old scars & regular dog keep stuff? Wouldn't there always be enough of a reasonable doubt that the scars came from an accidental scrap, as the defendant claims? Again, like I said, I understand the point, & if there's something someone can do to prevent being charged w/ a crime, then of course that is preferable. But I'd still like to believe we have the right to innocence until proven guilty in this country - guilt proven by real evidence, not speculation. But, I've also been accused of being a pessamist & I don't believe that our justice system is 100% always just. JMO's

I wish we were innocent till proven guilty, but time and time again, it seems as if an APBT owner is guilty before proven innocent. It's good to be pessimist, because it makes you look out for yourself and your dogs...
Unfortunately, yes, a few scars and scrapes can land you in jail, especially if they find any of the following in your house: break stick, treadmill, flirtpole, springpole, breeding stand...Suddenly, you are a prime suspect for dog fighting, even though the average APBT owner would just say you were a good owner, JQP would think you were a "vicious" dogfighter...
There was a guy in Charlotte that got accused of dogfighting, I don't know whatever became of him, but they showed his dogs, they all looked good, no major scars that I could see, the only thing was one had a hurt ear. It was pretty sad. I believe they did put his dogs down though, except a few puppies that got adopted out. I'm not sure if he got in trouble, or if he was set free.

Originally Posted by Chiapit I see where this makes some sense...I am just (personally) leery of AC, however I would report any incidents to my vet.

Same here. My Vet I would trust, because she is a bully breed fan, but the AC, I just don't think I would trust them on my property. Once they have access, they might take liberties.

[Miakoda]

Originally Posted by DieselDawg Well Mr Gamedog, why don't you enlighten the ignorant masses as myself as to how reporting this to a VET is going to save you down the road and from what? "Hello VET, my dog just got into a scrap with a stray intruder and may or may not need to be seen...he has two small punctures and one abrasion...he might or might not need a booster but either I am too busy to come see you or I know you don't make house calls". Whew, I am sure glad I documented this for future reference! I guess, although you did not make it clear at all, if you are having dog fights (or accused of the same)...then making a report that certain injuries are from a stray than happen chanced into your "kennels" might make sense? So again I ask, what is the specific purpose of reporting any and all "injuries to your VET and ANIMAL CONTROL?

Many people out there treat injuries themselves. And I am one of them. However, I always have a vet friend know what happened and run the treatment by them. If it's serious enough, I take the dog into the clinic.

I understand this post in many ways. For instanct, while out hunting, an approx. 170 hog got his tusk up underneath the cut vest thus hanging the dog....literally. DD escaped with no lung punctures, but had massive injuries to his chest and legs....and not to mention he was fighting back just as hard. Of course he got rushed into the clinic and was treated there. But out in the real world, I was accused of being a dog fighter b/c of his injuries and scarring (black dogs have lots of white hairs where scars are). At least if someone ever truly "investigated" what had happened to him, I've got documentation to back up my story.

I've also had AC called on me by some construction workers, who nevermind the fact were doing their best to see and hang over our 8 ft. privacy fence to oogle the dogs, for having no food and water. I got home to a notice on the door. So I called the AC and explained: first, my dogs get fed once a day and that's it-I don't free feed as I don't want overweight and obese dogs and second, it obviously never occurred to anyone that I actually put water bowls INSIDE the dog houses to keep them in the shade-you can't see in side the dog houses from most angles.

Too many people are out there just looking to indict you on something, whether you are guilty or not. So it's best to make sure you've got a good relationship with neighbors, vets, and any others who will help you out in the case of false persecution.