[Hillbilly]

when i go to work i put my dogs out so they dont destroy my home.
i put my two 3 month old male and female pups INSIDE A 12X12X5.5 kennel.

i put my 2.5 yr old bitch in the carport cabled to a trolly line.

last night me and the family went out to eat so we didnt get home till 8:30 or so.........i pull into the drive, get out to get the mail and hear one of my pups whining but i thought maybe she was just happy to see us and was trying to get out of the kennel which is fairly normal.

i get back into my truck , pull ahead till my headlights shine on the kennel and my 2.5 yr old bitch has my 3 mth old female swinging in the air by the neck and i could tell as soon as i shined the headlights on them i was too late. i got out and rushed over and admittedly kicked the shit out of my 2.5yr old at first AND she didnt attempt to attack me ofcourse. She just dropped the pup and ran off.................im at a loss for words, do i have to keep this bitch locked away like shes hannibal lecter or something?

my family was very sad and i tried to explain that its the nature of the beast and there was really nothing we could do more than we did.......i mean she was cabled up! how she got loose is still a mystery, she jumped a 5.5 ft fence and attacked the pup with no trigger....no food, no toys, just out of pure jealousy i guess.

i dont plan to treat my 2.5 yr old bitch any differently because its not her fault, i knew as soon as i seen the blood it was all over but i had to pull her off the pup anyway.

seems as i made a mistake, and im not proud of it. just thought i would share another story of accidental dog aggression with you folks so maybe you will watch your dogs THAT MUCH closer.

[Galadriel]

Crap. I'm so sorry
Even with the best precautions, sometimes fate decides to work against you. *hugs* to you guys.

[maryellen]

i am sorry this happened.. is it possible when you hooked up the older dog the snap didnt close correctly? is the kennel the pups in did it have a secure top? if not, that needs to be corrected with a secure wire top so that no other dogs could get into the kennel.. since this breed is DA, it is something that is to be expected.. while the loss of the pup is sad, its an awakening for everyone who tethers their dogs or has them in outside kennels to check the hardware and the kennels..

is it possible someone let her loose? she would have to get loose, climb into the pups kennel, to attack her.. something doesnt sound right here, is it possible someone unclipped the older female, and then the female jumped into the kennel? which in turn that means you didnt have a secure cover on the kennel top.

while reprimanding is one thing, kicking or beating the shit out of the dog was uncalled for, even though she had the pup in her mouth.. with this breed, DA is to be understood and expected.. do not hold her DA against her.

[Hillbilly]

Originally Posted by maryellen i am sorry this happened.. is it possible when you hooked up the older dog the snap didnt close correctly? is the kennel the pups in did it have a secure top? if not, that needs to be corrected with a secure wire top so that no other dogs could get into the kennel.. since this breed is DA, it is something that is to be expected.. while the loss of the pup is sad, its an awakening for everyone who tethers their dogs or has them in outside kennels to check the hardware and the kennels.. is it possible someone let her loose? she would have to get loose, climb into the pups kennel, to attack her.. something doesnt sound right here, is it possible someone unclipped the older female, and then the female jumped into the kennel? which in turn that means you didnt have a secure cover on the kennel top. while reprimanding is one thing, kicking or beating the shit out of the dog was uncalled for, even though she had the pup in her mouth.. with this breed, DA is to be understood and expected.. do not hold her DA against her.

your right, i should not have...

i kicked her once, only to get her to let go.......what do you suggest? using a breaking stick when she has blood dripping from her jaws and looks as though she is loving every drop? And you can tell your other pup is dead as a door nail anyway ya know.....ill be damned if my arm is going to be the next thing broke because if you know these dogs you know you CAN get human aggression from getting yourself in the middle of the dogs ofcourse...

no offense and your right, but that was like my mother beating my daughter........ida whacked her a good one to only to get her to stop.

[Michele]

while reprimanding is one thing, kicking or beating the shit out of the dog was uncalled for, even though she had the pup in her mouth..

yea, I totally agree with this. Every mistake/accident that happens, is at the hands of humans, not dogs.

And yes, a break stick would of come in handy, not your foot.

[Michele]

if you know these dogs you know you CAN get human aggression from getting yourself in the middle of the dogs ofcourse...

This breed should never ever bite a human, no matter what......

[jennay2]

Originally Posted by Michele This breed should never ever bite a human, no matter what......

Uhm, I agree. Unless you know your dog was bred with bad intentions and bad lines, your dog shouldn't bite.

Just sounds like perhaps you got in over your head with a breed you don't entirely understand.

I'm sorry that happened to your pups RIP poor babies.

[maryellen]

no need to get riled up hillbilly..

And you can tell your other pup is dead as a door nail anyway ya know.....ill be damned if my arm is going to be the next thing broke because if you know these dogs you know you CAN get human aggression from getting yourself in the middle of the dogs ofcourse...

if you can tell the pup is already dead, then calmly take a breakstick or calmly tell your dog to drop it.. the more calm you are , the better things will be.. and , i have already taken 2 rabbits, and 3 woodchucks from my pit MIX's mouth while he was trying to kill them, and i calmly grabbed his collar, told him its MINE, and had him drop the animals.. if any of my dogs ever redirected to my arm they would get a dirt nap.. however, with this breed, HA is not to be tolerated at all., but if you are afraid to get in the way of your dog then have a break stick handy and someone to help you..

[Hillbilly]

Originally Posted by Michele This breed should never ever bite a human, no matter what......

and what if it did?

would you euthanize?

can we say double standard?

so you refuse to ever hit a dog?yet youll put it to sleep if it did make the mistake of hitting (biting) you?

discussion over, as ive heard a hundred times on this board-well just have to agree to disagree. I dont abuse animals, but i do believe in spanking my children and a damn nike tennis shoe to that dogs hind end problably made her laugh more than anything i promise.

[Hillbilly]

Originally Posted by jennay2 Uhm, I agree. Unless you know your dog was bred with bad intentions and bad lines, your dog shouldn't bite. Just sounds like perhaps you got in over your head with a breed you don't entirely understand. I'm sorry that happened to your pups RIP poor babies.

I agree with Chia. lol we're really not supposed to expect our dogs to defend themselves. We're alpha, in charge. WE defend them, because they are not guardian breeds. But I'd still love her. And as for that other dog? I have steel toed boots lol

But I don't need to worry. I honestly believe Kayrah could hold her own, regardless of opponant. Hell, she may be on that dog before it actually landed in the yard!!


hows that BOOT taste?

[Hillbilly]

Originally Posted by maryellen no need to get riled up hillbilly.. if you can tell the pup is already dead, then calmly take a breakstick or calmly tell your dog to drop it.. the more calm you are , the better things will be.. and , i have already taken 2 rabbits, and 3 woodchucks from my pit MIX's mouth while he was trying to kill them, and i calmly grabbed his collar, told him its MINE, and had him drop the animals.. if any of my dogs ever redirected to my arm they would get a dirt nap.. however, with this breed, HA is not to be tolerated at all., but if you are afraid to get in the way of your dog then have a break stick handy and someone to help you..

not "riled up" at all, just not about to take that chance lol. a rabbit and a woodchuck are one thing, that was my baby though , ya see what im saying? yeah, i could have done better........lets end it here lol.

and jennay.............im kidding but you did ASK for it.

[Michele]

Originally Posted by Hillbilly and what if it did? would you euthanize? can we say double standard? so you refuse to ever hit a dog?yet youll put it to sleep if it did make the mistake of hitting (biting) you? discussion over, as ive heard a hundred times on this board-well just have to agree to disagree. I dont abuse animals, but i do believe in spanking my children and a damn nike tennis shoe to that dogs hind end problably made her laugh more than anything i promise.

If a pit bull bit, yes, the dog would be euthanized. The dog is not wired correctly. Where is the double standard?

And yes, I do refuse to ever hit a dog. I beleive correcting a dog can be done through positive training.

One more thing. You made reference to your children. Humans are different than dogs. There's no comparison.

[Michele]

hows that BOOT taste?

I have steel toed boots lol

I would really appreciate it if you didn't express anything related to possibly abusing/kicking a dog. We do not condone that on this forum. Thank you.

[Hillbilly]

I agree with Chia. lol we're really not supposed to expect our dogs to defend themselves. We're alpha, in charge. WE defend them, because they are not guardian breeds. But I'd still love her. And as for that other dog? I have steel toed boots lol

But I don't need to worry. I honestly believe Kayrah could hold her own, regardless of opponant. Hell, she may be on that dog before it actually landed in the yard!!


-excuse me, that was an excerpt from one of the threads from yesterday, and it was jennay2 that put it on your forum moderator.........not trying to nit pick, just proving my point "sometimes its better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid, than to open it and remove all doubt"

i dont want to argue and never have, its the sad fact that i am almost positive 99 percent of the members on this forum have never broken up a real deal APBT fight yet think they know everything because they read a book..............speak from some real experience and ill most definately be glad to listen. otherwise refer to above.

hell its my dog that died anyway, why you so salty ?

[Michele]

[quote][its the sad fact that i am almost positive 99 percent of the members on this forum have never broken up a real deal APBT fight yet think they know everything because they read a book............../QUOTE]

Please don't assume. The members on this forum have hands on experience with this breed, right down to breaking up fights. And I can guarantee you that mostly all of them use break sticks, and not their steel toed boot.

Again, refrain from expressing anything to do with abusing/kicking your dog. Thank you.

[tat2stuff]

sorry for your loss...

this thread is moved to memorial section

[Patch O' Pits]

I'm sorry for your loss.

I won't comment on some of the other things, as I'm sure you are grieving the loss and feeling badly enough.
I think you've learned a hard lesson...

[jennay2]

A strange dog and your own dog, that YOUR responsible for, is completely different. Yes, I'll give a dog a boot in the ass, if it's not mine, but its on my property, trying to kill my dog. But if I had a DA breed dog, without a cover on her kennel, and then he/she jumped that kennel into another uncovered kennel, who's fault is that? MINE. THEN, I deserve the boot.

I didn't ask for it. You took it out of context. Michele, I'm sorry if that came off the wrong way. That came out of a thread about what would you do if you found a dog kicking your dogs ass. Completely out of context, and I apologize that I gave someone like this an opportunity to start something.

btw I have broken up a few dog fights. Pretty sure a few people here have too.

[Michele]

Originally Posted by jennay2 A strange dog and your own dog, that YOUR responsible for, is completely different. Yes, I'll give a dog a boot in the ass, if it's not mine, but its on my property, trying to kill my dog. But if I had a DA breed dog, without a cover on her kennel, and then he/she jumped that kennel into another uncovered kennel, who's fault is that? MINE. THEN, I deserve the boot. I didn't ask for it. You took it out of context. Michele, I'm sorry if that came off the wrong way. That came out of a thread about what would you do if you found a dog kicking your dogs ass. Completely out of context, and I apologize that I gave someone like this an opportunity to start something. btw I have broken up a few dog fights. Pretty sure a few people here have too.

no need to apologize