[NcPrisonGuard]

Ok what are ya'll's stance on using animals in medical research. I'm not talking cosmetics but actually testing meds on animals. This might shock you but I am ALL for it... let me tell you.. if hooking a live monkey's brain up to a car battery will cure cancer.. red is positive and black is negative.

[tat2stuff]

I'm all for it also, why shouldn't we use them to help cure disease...

[Zoe]

Considering my daughter has Cystic Fibrosis and thirty years ago, kids with CF didn't even make it to kindergarten, and now the average life span is over 30, {although there are still way to many kids and young adults dying so very young} I'm very thankful to the animals who gave their lives so Raven has a chance to grow up. As far as cosmetics go though, we buy cruelty free products, avoid factory farmed meats by buying from local organic farms, etc... We try to do what we can to avoid unneeded suffering, especially since my daughter already owes her life to these research animals.

[bahamutt99]

I don't mind it. I think if it saves a lot of human lives, its worthy. Just as long as its done in a manner which is the most respecful to the animals. I know they don't exactly get to live on soft pillows, but the scientists should still try to make their animals as comfortable as possible.

[Rai_77]

I think it really depends on the condition they are trying to treat. Should a monkey have to lose it's life so a guy can get a raging erection with no harmful side effects? I don't think that's a fair sacrifice to make. Use human subjects for that.

But if we're taking, like Zoe said, CF, then I think it's a necessary evil. And I wouldn't consider it dying in vain to allow a child to live a longer, fuller, healthier life. But for an erection, male pattern baldness, or a cellulite treatment? Yeah, that's a death in vain to test that stuff.

Would I love to see the day when we don't have to test on other animals? Of course. But until/if that day ever comes, I think we need to make sure the sacrifice of the few for the betterment of the many is really going to be for the betterment of many.

And I agree with Bahamutt, the animals in research should be treated as well as they could be treated. It doesn't take much to give them some mental stimulation and affection every day, and if the researchers don't have time to do it, it wouldn't be hard at all to find volunteers.

[Madeleinemom]

I am agreement that it is a necessary evil, and should be done with compassion and as little suffering to the animal as is humanly possible.

As someone who lives with Multiple Sclerosis, I suspect that the meds I am on were once tested on animals. I thank them, because those trials developed pharmaceutics that will - hopefully - keep me and other MSers out of a wheelchair.

And, their sacrifice give Zoe's Raven a better chance at a good life - and that's priceless.

[Michele]

While I know that animal research is important to help with cures, I'm honestly on the fence.

[Alan]

If there is no other way to achieve the same goal then Im for it. However, I think it should be mandated to be done as hummanely as possible. Letting animals rot in a cage and waller in there on crap just because they are lab animals in animal cruelty and should be treated as such.

[Debbie]

I think there should be more research into Stem Cell's.....

[Chiapit]

Originally Posted by Alan If there is no other way to achieve the same goal then Im for it. However, I think it should be mandated to be done as hummanely as possible. Letting animals rot in a cage and waller in there on crap just because they are lab animals in animal cruelty and should be treated as such.

I think its necessary, and I agree and I would like to see them have a reasonable quality of life.

[Lassic]

Originally Posted by Rai_77 I think it really depends on the condition they are trying to treat. Should a monkey have to lose it's life so a guy can get a raging erection with no harmful side effects? I don't think that's a fair sacrifice to make. Use human subjects for that. But if we're taking, like Zoe said, CF, then I think it's a necessary evil. And I wouldn't consider it dying in vain to allow a child to live a longer, fuller, healthier life. But for an erection, male pattern baldness, or a cellulite treatment? Yeah, that's a death in vain to test that stuff. Would I love to see the day when we don't have to test on other animals? Of course. But until/if that day ever comes, I think we need to make sure the sacrifice of the few for the betterment of the many is really going to be for the betterment of many. And I agree with Bahamutt, the animals in research should be treated as well as they could be treated. It doesn't take much to give them some mental stimulation and affection every day, and if the researchers don't have time to do it, it wouldn't be hard at all to find volunteers.

The question in the second sentence depends how you look at it, Is it from a womans point of view or a mans point of view?

[NcPrisonGuard]

My wife also has MS, I believe having someone in your life that suffers from a diease like this goes along way toward changing your opinions on things like this. I am all for an animal having a decent quality of life but truth be told if a million animals die in search of a cure not one of them dies in vain.

Originally Posted by Madeleinemom As someone who lives with Multiple Sclerosis, I suspect that the meds I am on were once tested on animals. I thank them, because those trials developed pharmaceutics that will - hopefully - keep me and other MSers out of a wheelchair.

[Rai_77]

Originally Posted by Lassic The question in the second sentence depends how you look at it, Is it from a womans point of view or a mans point of view?

I mentioned 'cellulite treatments' for a reason.

[Debbie]

Originally Posted by Lassic The question in the second sentence depends how you look at it, Is it from a womans point of view or a mans point of view?

LOL....a man can get a penile implant if he still feels the need for a raging hard-on.....might be better than what he could get on an E.D drug.....

[DryCreek]

I'm all for it.

The only comments I'll make on the condition the animals are kept in (because I've never seen them ) is that I will NOT believe what ARA's say about it. They have an agenda and will say what they want to push that agenda.

Common sense tells me that if animals are being used for research, to get the most accurate results you need to keep those animals well or the results of your study may be influenced. Scientists are human beings like you and I and I doubt most of them view animals as totally disposable. Their research on animals is a necessary evil that they have to deal with to produce the required results. That doesn't mean they're uncaring.

All I'm saying is unless you have toured a facility you won't know the truth and I doubt any "truth" I hear from PETA people.

[Debbie]

I would believe an undercover video taping of a place.....
That way they don't have time to "conform" or "tidy" up....

And sometimes when people are around the same things everyday....they get desensitized to it.....I'm not saying all people, but I'm sure the great majority do. Sad but true.

[Shes Got Heart]

Originally Posted by Debbie I think there should be more research into Stem Cell's.....

Agreed.

[screamin'eagle]

in regards to the OP...its fine with me.

[tcmpreville]

in open heart surgery (specifically Blue Baby Syndrome) was perfomed on dogs. I REALLY feel for the dogs, but how many lives, infant to elderly, have and will be saved as a result?

[Miakoda]

It's not only fine with me, it's necessary.

Should a monkey have to lose it's life so a guy can get a raging erection with no harmful side effects?

Do some research on Viagra. Nowhere was that medication tested on apes before hitting the human population. In fact, it was a medication with a completely different purpose that caused an, um, different side effect. Thus they just expanded on it.

Not everything involves rubbing chemicals into poor little puppy dog eyes and bleeding monkeys to death.

And most research companies treat their 'subjects' very well and with the utmost respect.