[annji]

I saw this video on Yahoo. Being somewhat new to the breed, it brings up some questions for me. I was wondering what everyone thought and if anyone had seen the entire clip. I expected the pit to score as high as the rot. And I'm not quite sure how accurate this is or if it's been tried before. Then again perhaps it's not just the strength bite that makes them so adored by fighters and feared by the media. I hope this link comes across correctly. if not it should copy and paste.

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(You'll have to ignore the idiots comments at the bottom of the page.)

[Galadriel]

All breeds have more or less the same bite force. People believe "pit bulls" have some outrageous 1500 or 2000 PSI because their jaws are so pronounced. It's complete and total crap. It's like saying if you have a bigger nose you have a better sense of smell, or if you have bigger ears, your hearing is more acute.
The bite of a "pit bull" is usually more damaging because of their tenacity. They hang on and it's hard to get them to back off if they're keyed on something, whether it be another dog or a toy rope. (or, in Wallace the Pit Bull's case, a Frisbee)

[screamin'eagle]

Originally Posted by annji Then again perhaps it's not just the strength bite that makes them so adored by fighters and feared by the media.

When you progress in your research you'll find more myths about the APBT that are total farces. Bite pressure, locking jaws, etc. are all false. That video is another sensational attempt at stirring an unassuming public into a frenzy. Rottweiler owners are faced with the BSL issues that we are, and the German Shepherd dog also had its go round as the "bad dog!" Its totally biased to measure those three...what no standard poodle, cocker spaniel, or golden retreiver? They bite too!

From a historical perspective strength of bite (known as mouth) has a role in breeding the APBT, but all characteristics fail in comparison to the all elusive concept of gameness! That was the goal of pre 1976 breeding. As for the media "fear" of the APBT I think its non existance. Ignorance...yes. Sensationalism...yes, but fear I say not. Its more of a chase for dollars. Cocker spaniel mix attacking someone doesn't sell like a "viscious pitbull" attack.

[Michele]

Screamin Eagle: that was a good post

[lockjaw]

Originally Posted by screamin'eagle When you progress in your research you'll find more myths about the APBT that are total farces. Bite pressure, locking jaws, etc. are all false. That video is another sensational attempt at stirring an unassuming public into a frenzy. Rottweiler owners are faced with the BSL issues that we are, and the German Shepherd dog also had its go round as the "bad dog!" Its totally biased to measure those three...what no standard poodle, cocker spaniel, or golden retreiver? They bite too! From a historical perspective strength of bite (known as mouth) has a role in breeding the APBT, but all characteristics fail in comparison to the all elusive concept of gameness! That was the goal of pre 1976 breeding. As for the media "fear" of the APBT I think its non existance. Ignorance...yes. Sensationalism...yes, but fear I say not. Its more of a chase for dollars. Cocker spaniel mix attacking someone doesn't sell like a "viscious pitbull" attack.

great post..most dog bites are from smaller breed dogs..can you picture a two hundred pound man calling the news from the hospital room..saying a yorkshire bit me..you can even sound macho... saying you got bit by a pitbull or a rotty..

[DieselDawg]

It is basically the size of the dog (head/jaws) that dictates the PSI of the bite...per pound the Pits are probably right on top but a 120# Rot is most likely going to have a stronger bite force. Wolves supposedly have a greater bite force than any dog...out of neccessity.

[Palamino]

There are those rare bulldogs that still possess the "superbite." This ability is not visible to the naked eye though and can only be identified under pit conditions when the dog is in prey drive. Bulldogs biting pressure sticks that dont fight back simply dont bite that stick with any passion and the results are severely flawed.

It is believed that there is a strong correlation between the length of the coronoid muscle process of the jaw and the attachment of the temporal fossa muscle in determining the biting power of a bulldog. It stands to reason that the further this muscle is attached from the pivot point of the lower jaw, the greater the leverage in closing the mouth would be. Couple this with a game powerful dog that also has ability to set himself, wrestle etc.......legends such as White Rock, Jimmy Boots, Benny Bob, Hurt etc.

"regardless of how hard he CAN bite, he wont bite unless he WANTS to."

[DryCreek]

The flaw I find in "bite force comparison" studies is that you can't measure "intent". The dog that scores the highest in the test may have been applying all pressure with full intent whereas the dog that scored the lowest may have been giving only a halfhearted intent but has a stronger bite when it wants to.

When I first started my training in an animal hospital, the vet I worked for told me that Scotties have the strongest bite of all breeds due to the square jaw structure....

You can't judge or measure something that has more than just physical factors to judge by and there is no way to measure a dogs intent that I know of LOL.

[Palamino]

That is so Drycreek. The overwhelming and vast majority of bulldogs love people and are simply not going to bite an arm guard or pressure stick held by a person with any amount of serious intent at all. They are going to be in "play drive."

If you analyze the "superbiters" of the past, they had heads of all shapes and sizes. (We could not see where and how the muscles where attached and located though.....) The one thing that they all did possess in abundance was what you mentioned - INTENT (Prey Drive) and plenty of it.

To mention a piece of Trivia - The Snapping Turtle has the greatest bite pressure ever measured as per Extreme Animal Planet.

[xgarrettxvx]

Originally Posted by DieselDawg It is basically the size of the dog (head/jaws) that dictates the PSI of the bite...per pound the Pits are probably right on top but a 120# Rot is most likely going to have a stronger bite force. Wolves supposedly have a greater bite force than any dog...out of neccessity.

I agree entirely, and with some of todays pits, i'd like to see an 85lb+ pit against the others.

[mandreweav]

i would argue that a well bred european doberman would be up there with the strongest biters

[DieselDawg]

Interesting pdf file on biteforce

http://www.glapbta.com/BFBP.pdf

[mandreweav]

Originally Posted by DieselDawg Interesting pdf file on biteforce http://www.glapbta.com/BFBP.pdf

i dont know if they are saying that humans can bite as hard as or harder than dogs but ive never met a human who can hang on a rope and swing around like a dog does with their mouth

[DieselDawg]

Because humans weight more per biteforce pound...

[Zoe]

I'd love to have Tanks bite force measure just for fun. It wouldn't work with a sleeve on a person though. lol You'd have to either hang the measuring mechanism out of a tree, put it on a dog , or that weird purple kong like sqeaky dumbell I had to throw out because he was a little too intense with it. His bite force is off the wall. He crushed an indestructaball like it was made out of foam. He's the only dog that I actually had trouble training to ''leave it'' with a breaking stick and that was only when hanging on a spring pole. He's definitley got that ''freak bite''. He's not standard size though. His head is more the size of a rotti.

[mandreweav]

Originally Posted by DieselDawg Because humans weight more per biteforce pound...

Take a 130 lb dude and a 130 lb rotty. the rotty can still hang from stuff while the 130 lb dude couldnt. maybe im missing something here. maybe because a dog has a larger mouth it can get a better hold on stuff who knows. its kind of a weird comparison between dogs and people.

[jaimeescissorhands]

i don't know about all that PSI, biteforce business. but i do know that Duke is the reigning champ of tug-o-war. lol

[chloesredboy2]

sorry this is so off subject,but did anyone else see that documentry on giant squids on Discovery chanel?Talk about bite pressure! Even the baby ones could easily crush a human skull.It was amazing.

[Jelet]

Bite force test are usually incorrect when measuring the bite force of certain breeds especially the apbt breed.

I say this because all dogs are different in biting abilities...

For example, Zebo, Chinamen.. Both extremely hard biters.....

But is every single apbt, in this range of biting this hard? no.. they arent. Therefore, it depends on the individual dog doing the test and its motives when biting, if its trying to bite and go all out. or just try to bite normal but not as hard as it can..




these tests.. They have a human with a sleeve and the dog bites it. Well who is to say that the apbt is biting his or her hardest when biting a HUMAN with a sleeve on? Why would it bite its hardest per se.

like if there way a way to... to do these tests with the same dog..


Compare a bite force of a human with a sleeve and then an apbt bites it


and then compare the bite force of an apbt biting another dog

and then compare the bite force of an apbt biting an intruder that is assaulting the dogs owner, almost killing the owner...


most likely the test results will be very different..

i doubt an apbt will really try and bite its hardest with a human wearing a sleeve. After all, thats how these tests are done, correct?

but thats just my opinion. we will never know, we are not in the minds of apbt's and can see if they are really trying to bite hard or not.


and also, it depends on the dog itself. you cant say all masttiffs bite harder then apbt's .


depends on the individual dog.




these are my thoughts on this psi bite testing stuff

[chloesredboy2]

Originally Posted by Palamino That is so Drycreek. The overwhelming and vast majority of bulldogs love people and are simply not going to bite an arm guard or pressure stick held by a person with any amount of serious intent at all. They are going to be in "play drive." If you analyze the "superbiters" of the past, they had heads of all shapes and sizes. (We could not see where and how the muscles where attached and located though.....) The one thing that they all did possess in abundance was what you mentioned - INTENT (Prey Drive) and plenty of it. To mention a piece of Trivia - The Snapping Turtle has the greatest bite pressure ever measured as per Extreme Animal Planet.

Snapping turtles are awesome! One time my brother and I found one in the canal and we brought it home to weigh it ,That thing weighed 52 lbs! We kept putting all sorts of stuff in his face to make him bite.He snapped a wooden broom handle right in half it was so cool.We took him back where we found him after we got done playing with him.