[PNWPBR]

An Enzyme that Pits Brain Give Out

Reply to: comm-425128070@craigslist.org
Date: 2007-09-17, 6:30PM PDT

I don’t understand how you can have a breed of dog or do a particular breed of rescue and not know that breeds anatomy or physiology. It is a proven fact done by one to most prestigious schools around. Here is deal people. Pits give off an enzyme that no other dog gives out. Once this breed gets a point of anger ie: getting them going before a fight, this Enzyme kicks in and gives the pit 100 times the amount of adrenaline which gives the dog the ability to fight to the death. I do not care if you believe me but I graduated from that School and the test was done to find out why these dogs can endure the torture they go threw during a fight yet still do not give up. They were bred this way due the fact they were fighting dogs way back . I see people say it’s the human. Yes the human does get this dog going before a fight, but the fact that when this dog achieves the level of anger that most dogs due this enzyme kicks in and this dog feels no pain once this happens. People give off more adrenaline when in fights too and a lot of time they feel no pain till its over. Pits are the same way. They adrenaline kicks in and it’s a mass amount not just that of a Shepard or Rotti as they were tested against these dogs and the pits feel no pain there for they fight till they are dead or their pray is dead. I find it hard to believe that with all the pit owners and rescues that this has never been brought up. Pits running at large are just hunters and getting more and more excited the more they run and once they find a target BAM it kicks in. Call me a lair all you want I dare one of you “Oh its not the pit it’s the owner” to ask your Vet. As most Vets know for they get all the new findings every mo. Oh by the way this is not new. Before anything was published they tested pits against other breeds who are known to be naughty. A normal dog in his right mind will not stay till death. A Shepard does not have that high adrenaline going so once the pain kicks in the dog will go , unless it has a pit with it. I see so many pits running at large with other breeds of dogs all the time. Until people who own these dogs understand their physiology they should not be able to own them. Yes people do treat some pits in a manor to fight them, that’s what they were bred for and that is wrong. At the same time I would never own one due the fact all that dog has to do is reach a certain of anger and that enzyme kicks in and forget it. I know a lady that shows pits she knows about the enzyme, why don’t all you know it all’s on here know that? I think most people get pits cause they thing they make them look cool. You are all need to know what kind of dog brain wise you have. Many counties and some states have banned pit bull and if it were just horrible owners they would not have gone this far. Its because of the study that has been done on their brain while alive and after they pasted. There are even differences in the skeletal make up. If Wyoming can ban hybred Wolfs due to the fact a rabbies shot will not always work on a hybred Wolf due the fact they are wild animals. I know good people who have raised their pits correct done the the tee and still the dog was male dog aggressive due the fact its males that fight females are reserved for breeding. This one breed has had more incidents then any other breed. Study the physiology of the pit bull then send me nasty emails!!!!!

http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/pet/425128070.html

This is my email to him:

Q: A friend of mine told me that Pit Bulls have a special enzyme that allow them to lock their jaws. Is this true? A: This is a very common myth. Pit Bulls are members of the canine species and have the same jaw structure as any other dog. If they had a special enzyme or other mechanism allowing them to lock their jaws, we would have to reclassify them as a different species. However, Pit Bulls do seem to have an above average amount of determination for obtaining and retaining objects they are interested in. In fact, they were selectively bred to never give up. Their focus may be chasing squirrels or fetching rocks or sticks, but whatever they do, it's done with a great deal of enthusiasm. If they happen to grab on to something they don't want to release, it can be quite difficult to extract it from them. " A breed of satin and steel, Pit bulls are a mixture of softness andstrength, an uncanny canine combination of fun, foolishness, and serious business, all wrapped up in love." D. Caroline Coile"Pit Bulls for Dummies"WWW.PBRC.NET www.pbrc.net/misc/pbrcbrochure.pdf

[PNWPBR]

For those of you not interested in sending an email, I still would love to talk more about this mythical "enzyme" people claim is true.

Any findings, documentation you have disproving this myth, PLEASE post it!


Thanks!

[chloesredboy]

How very ,very ......Sad. I wouldnt even waste my time ,obviously This person is a very educated scientist who has devoted his life to the study of canines.

[Michele]

I'll be emailing....

[chloesredboy]

just got me thinking,this enzyme he claims the dogs to have ,sounds an awfull lot like what is called gameness.Now if all pit bulls carry the enzyme to be game,why hasn't anyone else caught on and tried to harvest this amazing ability to use in other dogs or even in humans.Hell ,lots of people could benefit from this ,Athletes,soldiers,law enforcement,just about anyone who strives to be the best.As if this miracle enzyme wouldnt have been exploited to the fullest extent by now.Of all the myths I've heard about these dogs ,I think this one takes the cake.I also believe someone needs to educate this idgit about something called Urban Legends.These tales have been printed as absolute truths from some of the most well known and respected publications,scholars,universities,and even law enforcement agencies and other government agencies. I'm going to send this little "fact" into myth busters,that would be sooo cool if they did it!This just screams urban legend.The fact that he claims there to have been numerous studies ,yet has none of those studies to back up the claim,The vaugness,The lack of details such as names of those who performed these studies,The school in which he learned this,and the refrences to "A lady " who shows pits.And So much more ,any moron with half a brain cell would catch onto.

[PNWPBR]

Originally Posted by chloesredboy How very ,very ......Sad. I wouldnt even waste my time ,obviously This person is a very educated scientist who has devoted his life to the study of canines.

But see thats where the person wins and we lose. If educating, even if you know it is going to fall on deaf ears, is thought of as a waste of time and therefore never attempted..... we are just as much to blame for their uneducated opinions and BSL when it comes to our towns. I never miss an opportunity to educate.

[debo-dumbo-ears]

wow! that's rich. I wonder what "school" could have done this "research" & have graduated the OP??? An elementary school maybe? As the OP has the grammer & spelling skills of about a 5th grader. If it's such a reputable study, why didn't OP state the name of school and/or the study? I wonder if the OP is even serious, it's so assinine.

[Galadriel]

HA!!!
"this post has been flagged for removal". Gee...I wonder why?

[Galadriel]

The only study I can find published from Tufts on "pit bull enzymes" is on ocular degeneration. Some people really need to get a grip on reality.
So yeah. Let's all e-mail our vets about this enzyme, then forward the e-mails to the numb nuts who posted on craigslist.
Too much free time on the hands of American youth, I tell ya!

they tested pits against other breeds who are known to be naughty

Last time I checked, "naughty" wasn't a scientific term.

Yes people do treat some pits in a manor to fight them

but I graduated from that School and the test was done to find out why these dogs can endure the torture they go threw during a fight

And if they graduated from this fine institution of higher learning, they might want to ask for a refund since grammar wasn't part of the curriculum.


All kidding aside, the only thing I can think they might be referring to are the cortisol levels of brain function, enzymes are endocrinology and don't have a whole lot to do with mental functions, but cortisol in conjunction with adrenals can skew brain function (as in drives, aggression, etc.).

And this message has been brought to you by a scientist with a degree from a real university .

[Michele]

LOL Husky

[PNWPBR]

She emailed me back!

First off I said nothing about this Enzyme having anything to do with locking of jaws. It is a proven fact based on tests done at Washington Veterinarian Teaching School that pit bull's once they reach a certain level of agitation or anger, like people who get them going before fights realize an enzyme in their brain that gives them double the amount of adrenaline then any other dog. And they tested them against every breed that the AKC recognizes. Why do think a pit can endure the horrible things they do during a fight? Why do they fight till they are dead or the other dog is dead or can no longer stand to fight? Its Adrenalin. Why don't you contact a forensic pit bull specialist and you will find out. Even an Alpha Wolf will back down once the pain gets too bad even if it means loosing their pack. These dogs were bred to fight. I Have gotten letters from people who do know about this study , so its not just me. I was in court watching a case against a man with a pit bull who was out wandering and it killed a poodle. The man being sued tried to say its not the dog its the owner and I do not teach my dogs to be aggressive. At the end of the case the Judge said "Yes your dog is different then any other breed as it has an ezxyme that its brain lets off once it reaches that level of aggression it needs to fight." I can not believe a judge knows that and you being a rescue do not. Male pits are male dog aggressive. I had a rescue sheltie with me when I stopped by my mother in laws house and called first to tell her to lock up her dog. I arrived and was standing in the garage and out of no where this pit scaled a 6 foot fence and attacked my male sheltie based solely on smell. I had females around him and he was fine. You say what you want too. I attend that School and watched some of the testing. In 4 months I will be a DVM and I will tell people who bring in pit bulls about this issue. I think a lot of Vets do not say anything for fear of loosing that client. That is wrong. You ask your Vet and tell him to be honest with you. It is a fact and a proven one. No animal could endure the torture these dogs do without that adrenaline so they could not feel it. Just as ours pumps hard if you have ever been in a fight , at that time you do not feel it for the adrenaline pumping threw your body, but after wards you sure feel it. I think people who own these dogs should know this so they know what they are dealing with. TO give them a chance to do some things different. I had a friend she came home from the store pulled her car in her garage and went into the house threw the garage door. Her little doxie got out and was in her garage, next thing she knew there 2 pit bulls tearing her dog apart. She bent down to pick him up and both dogs sunk their teeth into her scalp. It tore her scalp off the whole thing. As they were not letting go so she had pull her own scalp off her head. I mean when I saw her she had just the white bone covering her head we all have. They are pit bulls that are bred better then others but I would not trust any of them. If you simply did a search on google you would find lots of info about this test done and the fact they discovered the Enzyme These dogs give off once they reach a certain point of anger. When I was an ACO officer in Wyoming I picked up two pits. Different locations. Males. I had them ea in a kennel. I herd lots of braking and not just I want you barking. I pulled over and went to investigate and one had chewed right threw my hard plastic kennel and the other was working on his. Plus with all the pits from Oregon and here in Vancouver next we will have to worry about inbreeding and it will happen. Then we will have crazy dogs that can kill.

[PNWPBR]

The school they are referring to is WSU (I believe)

and I dont have time right now to come up with an educated response but if ANYONE has some key points id love to hear them. This person is in my own backyard and if they really are getting their DVM (scary!) and will be telling the public about an enzyme.... well needless to say they will be undoing all the work here that my group is doing.

[Galadriel]

I've no doubt most of you have already seen this, but for those of you who haven't:


"The following quote was sent to me from Dr. Howard Evans, Professor Emeritus, College of Veterinary Medicine at Cornell University, Ithaca New York. We were colleagues in the veterinary college for four years. He is the author of the textbook, ANATOMY OF THE DOG, (the world's definitive work on the anatomy of the dog). His statement was in a letter addressed to me on March 26. 2002. His quote was: "I have spoken with [Dr.] Sandy deLahunta (the foremost dog neurologist in the country) and [DR.] Katherine Houpt (a leading dog behaviorist) about a jaw locking mechanism in pit bulls or any other dog and they both say, as do I, that there is NO SUCH THING AS "JAW LOCKING IN ANY BREED.

We all agree that the power of the bite is proportional to the size of the jaws and the jaw muscles. There is no anatomical structure that could be a locking mechanism in any dog." As a Professor Emeritus from the College of Veterinary Medicine at Michigan State University, I agree completely with their conclusion."

http://www.understand-a-bull.com/Pit...banlegends.htm

[Suki]

A friend of mine brought this thread to my attention. So, being as I work for a vet and we have 4 hospitals, it was easy to throw this question out there to gain some feed back. Of the doctors who reponded, (of which we have about 40) NONE of them have ever heard of this "test" nor this theory. i am an avid reader of the monthly DVM mag, and i'm sure over the past years of me reading this, plus being pretty much a complete "pit bull junkie" (and EVERY one at our hospital KNOWS this about me,) i do NOT recall reading about such a "test/study", nor, has anyone brought up such a topic to my attention. I question its sheer validity, its reasoning and its results. It gives meaning to the word "vague" imo. Hell, I can say i've done a 'test', blah, blah, blah. Show me the study, the test, and the test results. Something concrete and maybe you'll get my attention regarding this. What's even more frightening, is that this 'person' is just shy of actually becoming a veterinarian. Sorry, but that's some scarey shit going on!!!!! Even our Medical Director piped in to say this is bogus and sheer speculation, as there is no such "enzyme" that even exists, "based on this theory/test". Another doctor said it doesn't even have anything to do with adrenaline, or that "rush" but simply, due to the muscular structure of the "pit bull" primarily (referring to ) located in their head, hence the "locking jaw" syndrome , sigh, .... they are simply a breed that is stronger than most and have a pain threshold that is superior to most other canine breeds, especially pertaining to the region of their heads.
I feel sorry for this person, but even sorrier for her potential patients and clients.
Again, the thought of her becoming a DVM is frightening.....

[tat2stuff]

I wonder if she has her apartment lined with tin foil , and hides from the black helicopters too. This moron can't even speak or type with proper grammar or spelling, and her statements sound like ramblings of a mental patient. She has no concept of animal behavior either. I guess anyone can become a DVM now a days, I feels sorry for anyone who brings their poor pets to her. Another prime example for the argument of human culling

[DryCreek]

Originally Posted by debo-dumbo-ears wow! that's rich. I wonder what "school" could have done this "research" & have graduated the OP??? An elementary school maybe? As the OP has the grammer & spelling skills of about a 5th grader. If it's such a reputable study, why didn't OP state the name of school and/or the study? I wonder if the OP is even serious, it's so assinine.

Doesn't know how to use paragraph's either. I can't read it all the way through, it just becomes one big blur of words LOL.

Does this enzyme cause their brains to swell as well?

When I was an ACO officer in Wyoming I picked up two pits. Different locations. Males. I had them ea in a kennel. I herd lots of braking and not just I want you barking. I pulled over and went to investigate and one had chewed right threw my hard plastic kennel and the other was working on his. Plus with all the pits from Oregon and here in Vancouver next we will have to worry about inbreeding and it will happen. Then we will have crazy dogs that can kill.

Oh no, how embarrassing, she's Canadian ugh....

[airwalk]

When I was an ACO officer in Wyoming I picked up two pits. Different locations. Males. I had them ea in a kennel. I herd lots of braking and not just I want you barking. I pulled over and went to investigate and one had chewed right threw my hard plastic kennel and the other was working on his. Plus with all the pits from Oregon and here in Vancouver next we will have to worry about inbreeding and it will happen. Then we will have crazy dogs that can kill.

Oh geez I didn't even read that part...okay, please everyone remember this idioto is not representative of ACO's...we are smarter than this.

And I'm betting this person isn't Canadian...I'm betting their talking about Vancouver Washington...so I think you're off the hook.