[vonteego3]

Originally Posted by CoolHandJean I'm sorry, but I don't and many on here do not support "DogsDeservebetter.org". If the CCB organization would just go after Irresponsible owners who neglect their dogs, i.e. as in the case of poor Ginger, then I think we would be on board. However, from what I have read and seen, the DDB organization is against any and all owners that use a chain as a form of containment, and I am sorry, but that just isn't right. There are many Responsible dog owners that use chaining as a form of containment, and they have happy healthy dogs.

I think you must have a misunderstanding of what DDB stands for.

Our mission is to help dogs that spend 24 hours a day chained up or penned up outside, left to live their lives all alone. If they're lucky, they'll have an algae-filled bowl of water, food when people remember, and protection from the elements when it's cloudy.

If you live in a house without a yard, and you give your dog some time outside by putting him on a chain while you're out with him, that's not a problem. When dogs are left unsupervised for long periods of time is when we become concerned. Dogs left chained and unsupervised are severely limited when it comes to defending themselves and also run the risk of choking themselves.

When DDB reps talk about chaining, we mean a life of chaining. We're not against tethering dogs for short periods of time with supervision... we understand that everyone isn't able to have a fenced yard, and everyone isn't able to take them for a nice long walk everytime they go outside.

If your dogs are chained up 24/7 and you don't think that's a problem, I'm sure you're not the type of person to post on dog-friendly forums, right?

To the person that called DDB "extreme"... you must have a very, very loose definition of that word. Take time to read a little about DDB, and feel free to ask me any questions about things you don't understand.

Thanks!

[Michele]

Originally Posted by vonteego3 I think you must have a misunderstanding of what DDB stands for. Our mission is to help dogs that spend 24 hours a day chained up or penned up outside, left to live their lives all alone. If they're lucky, they'll have an algae-filled bowl of water, food when people remember, and protection from the elements when it's cloudy. If you live in a house without a yard, and you give your dog some time outside by putting him on a chain while you're out with him, that's not a problem. When dogs are left unsupervised for long periods of time is when we become concerned. Dogs left chained and unsupervised are severely limited when it comes to defending themselves and also run the risk of choking themselves. When DDB reps talk about chaining, we mean a life of chaining. We're not against tethering dogs for short periods of time with supervision... we understand that everyone isn't able to have a fenced yard, and everyone isn't able to take them for a nice long walk everytime they go outside. If your dogs are chained up 24/7 and you don't think that's a problem, I'm sure you're not the type of person to post on dog-friendly forums, right? To the person that called DDB "extreme"... you must have a very, very loose definition of that word. Take time to read a little about DDB, and feel free to ask me any questions about things you don't understand. Thanks!

Please keep this thread on course. The thread is about Ginger, not your organization. Thank you.

[vonteego3]

Originally Posted by Michele Please keep this thread on course. The thread is about Ginger, not your organization. Thank you.

I was following the lead of a moderator.

[Michele]

Originally Posted by vonteego3 I was following the lead of a moderator.

Well the lead now is to concentrate on finding a home for Ginger. Thank you.

[amanda214]

Thank you for rescuing this dog and for working so hard to help others like her!!

[amanda214]

PS, lets keep things civil & positive please Its okay to state differences of opinion without insults. Thank you.

[vonteego3]

Originally Posted by Michele Well the lead now is to concentrate on finding a home for Ginger. Thank you.

DDB is an organization working very hard for Ginger and many other pitties. It's very important that people understand what we do and why we do it... if people believe things about DDB that have been stated in this thread, it hurts our mission and makes us less able to help dogs like Ginger. Wouldn't you agree that it's important people understand the good that an organization like DDB is doing? Seemed to me that this was the best place to post that reply to hit the target audience.

[Michele]

Originally Posted by vonteego3 DDB is an organization working very hard for Ginger and many other pitties. It's very important that people understand what we do and why we do it... if people believe things about DDB that have been stated in this thread, it hurts our mission and makes us less able to help dogs like Ginger. Wouldn't you agree that it's important people understand the good that an organization like DDB is doing? Seemed to me that this was the best place to post that reply to hit the target audience.

I don't have a problem with a dog, in Ginger's condition, getting help. That is abuse done by a HUMAN, not a CHAIN.

What I do have a problem with is that your organization is against ALL chaining. You target ALL owners that chain their dogs. A chain is merely a TOOL. You need to look on the other end of that chain to find the problem.

Your organization wants to get all dogs off chains. I will never support that.

This thread is about finding Ginger a home. It's NOT a thread to promote your organization.

[vonteego3]

Originally Posted by Michele I don't have a problem with a dog, in Ginger's condition, getting help. That is abuse done by a HUMAN, not a CHAIN. What I do have a problem with is that your organization is against ALL chaining. You target ALL owners that chain their dogs. A chain is merely a TOOL. You need to look on the other end of that chain to find the problem. Your organization wants to get all dogs off chains. I will never support that. This thread is about finding Ginger a home. It's NOT a thread to promote your organization.

Clearly you didn't read my original post.

I'm not trying to promote DDB, I'm ensuring that people understand the organization. I'm not recruiting help or asking for donations.

[Michele]

Originally Posted by vonteego3 Clearly you didn't read my original post. I'm not trying to promote DDB, I'm ensuring that people understand the organization. I'm not recruiting help or asking for donations.

Oh, we know all about your organization.

Now, on that note, stick to the topic at hand, which is finding Ginger a new home.

[Marty]

Have you searched my post?

Do you have a problem with the way I contain my dogs?

[vonteego3]

Originally Posted by Marty Have you searched my post? Do you have a problem with the way I contain my dogs?

You have 800+ posts. No, I didn't read up on every member of the forum to see how they "contain" their dogs.

By the way, it is amusing that you choose the word "contain", since that word is most commonly used to refer to keeping something bad... a disease, an "evil" form of government, whatever... from escaping and inflicting harm on others. Doesn't seem to be a real good way of defending the breed.

[Michele]

Originally Posted by vonteego3 You have 800+ posts. No, I didn't read up on every member of the forum to see how they "contain" their dogs. By the way, it is amusing that you choose the word "contain", since that word is most commonly used to refer to keeping something bad... a disease, an "evil" form of government, whatever... from escaping and inflicting harm on others. Doesn't seem to be a real good way of defending the breed.

You see, this is the problem right here. Your organization thinks one way and one way only. Why don't you take a walk on the "wild" side and check out some of the pictures on this forum of members' dogs properly "contained", happy, healthy, and loved. You won't find any wounds or gash's from chains because it's done responsibly by responsible owners.

[vonteego3]

Originally Posted by Michele You see, this is the problem right here. Your organization thinks one way and one way only. Why don't you take a walk on the "wild" side and check out some of the pictures on this forum of members' dogs properly "contained", happy, healthy, and loved. You won't find any wounds or gash's from chains because it's done responsibly by responsible owners.

If they're happy, healthy, and loved, then they're not chained 24/7, they're not left on the end of a chain unsupervised. If that's the case, I (and DDB) have no issue with that.

[Michele]

Originally Posted by vonteego3 If they're happy, healthy, and loved, then they're not chained 24/7, they're not left on the end of a chain unsupervised. If that's the case, I (and DDB) have no issue with that.

Some of these dogs are OUTSIDE dogs, 24/7 and they are happy, healthy and loved. DDB can have any "issue" they want to have. They are a one sided organization that is not doing all of it's homework. I will put DDB right up there with PETA.

[Marty]

I found it... http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=15996

Read it!

[Michele]

Originally Posted by vonteego3 So you feel it's acceptable for a dog to live in a 6' circle, with a heavy chain around their necks, 24 hours a day?

Who said anything about heavy chains? Who said anything about 6' circles? Not me.

[vonteego3]

Originally Posted by Michele Who said anything about heavy chains? Who said anything about 6' circles? Not me.

A weak, light chain isn't going to "contain" anything.

[Michele]

Originally Posted by vonteego3 A weak, light chain isn't going to "contain" anything.

Boy, do you have alot to learn. I'm afraid of people like you. You are dangerous.

[vonteego3]

Originally Posted by Michele Boy, do you have alot to learn. I'm afraid of people like you. You are dangerous.

Not to mention the "brag" pictures posted clearly show very heavy chains.