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Shaving Down Your Dog's Teeth...
Cotton is one angry dog. He snarls and snaps, biting anyone who gets too close.
Diane Krieger, Cotton’s owner, says, “He will attack men, men who don't belong here, which is everyone except my husband.”
Krieger says she has tried everything. She even called Cesar Millan, TV’s The Dog Whisperer, but she says nothing worked. “I had become really sad. It seemed like if Cesar can't fix this, it can't be fixed.”
Krieger was desperate. If she couldn't stop Cotton from biting he'd have to put down.
It was then she heard of a controversial procedure called disarming, in which a dog’s teeth are shaved down.
“These dogs have gone through many dog trainers and therapies...It's when everything else fails,” explains Dr. David Nielsen. Nielson showed INSIDE EDITION’s Megan Alexander how disarming works.
First, he shaves off the dog’s fangs.
Then, he files down the rest of the dog's teeth.
Before being disarmed Cotton’s teeth are sharp and dangerous. After the procedure, his teeth are blunt.
But, that didn’t change the pooch’s fiery temperament! As the doctor took a look at his work, Cotton chomps down just a little too close to his hand for comfort.
He's still one angry little dog, but now his bite is a lot less dangerous.
Some dog lovers see the procedure as cruel.
Internet posts about the controversial procedure are mixed. Some include:
“A vet practicing such a procedure should be banned from the profession.”
Another user wrote, “Wow! What a shame. Shame on the vet, shame on the owner.”
However, for Diane Krieger, it was a last resort that saved her puppy’s life. “He just has no need for those fangs except for hurting people.”
The American Veterinary Medical $#@!ociation opposes the procedure, saying it doesn’t address underlying behavior issues.
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When 'Dog Whisperer' can't help
When 'Dog Whisperer' can't help
Not even Cesar Millan's 'idiot-simple' method could ease Cotton's biting problem. At wit's end, his family turns to the controversial procedure 'canine disarming.'
By Diane R. Krieger
July 25, 2009
"The Kriegers have not been able to successfully implement Cesar's technique."
There it is in black and white for all to see, on page 299 of the Dog Whisperer's "Ultimate Episode Guide." The sad truth. Our episode (titled "Raw Cotton") first aired more than two years ago. To this day, whenever I see a rerun, I cringe at the closing scene: me, boasting about Cesar Millan's method being "idiot simple."
Apparently, not simple enough for this idiot.
FOR THE RECORD:
Dog disarming: Dr. Gail Golab was incorrectly identified as the head of the American Veterinary Medical $#@!n. in an article in last Saturday's Home section about the technique of disarming dogs that bite. She is the director of the $#@!ociation's animal welfare division. —
Cotton -- our beloved, 6-year-old American Eskimo -- is still a biter. I suppose he will always be a biter. And, as my lawyer husband keeps reminding me, "a lawsuit waiting to happen." Not that his bites are so powerful: I once had a cat who left comparable fang marks. But the cat didn't lunge at visitors.
How had the 35-pound, bouncing ball of fluff that is our family pet become a public menace? It sure wasn't through apathy on my part. I had tried everything. Puppy cl$#@! and basic-training at the neighborhood PetSmart. A library of self-help books and videos. Even a pricey dog-aggression expert whose Israeli accent made me want to stand at attention. He ordered counter-conditioning and desensitization drills, supplemented by a low-protein diet and a doggie herbal remedy akin to St. John's Wort.
I tried clicker training, high-pitched electronic tones, pepper spray, throwing soda cans filled with rocks. I considered an electric shock collar but worried that in the hands of an amateur (that would be me, the aforementioned idiot) it might do more harm than good.
Finally, I appealed to the fabled Dog Whisperer.
Cesar's efforts were a brilliant success -- until he left our house. For one day, Cotton was the dog I'd always dreamed he could be. Calm and submissive, deferring to the pack leader. Unfortunately, the pack leader was Cesar.
Reluctantly, I looked into shipping Cotton to a dog rescue -- but didn't find one that would take a dog with a history of biting. No chance of ever placing him with a new owner, they explained. Unacceptable liability. Months later, I had a follow-up visit with Cesar at his Dog Psychology Center in South L.A. Surrounded by his spectacularly submissive pack, he accepted my lack of leadership skill and suggested I try a full-time muzzle. I had already tried that and concluded the restraint has yet to be invented that Cotton couldn't wriggle out of.
I considered defanging him, but couldn't find a vet in the area who would do it. Turns out the practice is both unsafe and impractical. To extract a dog's mighty canines would likely lead to a fractured jaw. Even if it didn't, with the canines out of the way, the pointy incisors would be primed to fill the gap.
The only other option seemed to be a lethal injection.
Procrastinating about that difficult decision, I told myself I could avoid future incidents through eternal vigilance. Cotton is protective and territorial: He reserves his animosity for strangers (especially men) who venture up our long, steep driveway. Living on an acre in rustic Rolling Hills Estates, fronted by a country road without sidewalks, with Cotton hemmed in by an invisible fence and crated in the garage whenever company is expected, we should have been able to keep trouble at bay. But trouble kept showing up unexpectedly. There was the time the sheriff's deputy drove up to alert us to a nearby brush fire: For his thoughtfulness, he received torn pants and teeth marks in his shin. Or the time a furniture delivery guy arrived early: He escaped Cotton's toothy embrace only by leaping on the hood of his van. Heck, Cotton even slipped his leash and bit the Times photographer who came to take his picture for this article.
But by then, I had a new plan.
One day while channel surfing, I happened upon an Animal Planet special counting down the world's top 10 "extreme biters." The domesticated dog came in at No. 4. (Hippos and Komodo dragons took the No. 3 and No. 2 spots, with the cookie-cutter shark the undisputed champion.) There, to my delight, was Dr. David Nielsen, a veterinary dentist based in Manhattan Beach, talking about a miracle fix: "canine disarming."
Instead of extracting the four canines, Nielsen cuts away 4 millimeters of tooth using a CO2 laser. He acid-etches the live pulp within, fashions a bell-shaped cavity that he packs with two kinds of human-grade composite, and light-cures the top for a smooth, flat finish. He also blunts the extra set of pointy incisors.
Disarming isn't a new idea, but Nielsen's technique is one he pioneered, though he shares credit with his now-departed pet whippet. The small greyhound had "played Frisbee so much and chewed so hard trying to get out of cages" that he'd busted off all four canines right above the 4-millimeter level, Nielsen says. One day the whippet cornered a technician in Nielsen's office and flew at her face. Instead of tearing flesh, he merely pinched her cheek. The blunted canines blocked even the incisors from their shearing action.
A metaphorical light bulb came on above Nielsen's head.Now he figures he has disarmed some 300 animals in the last dozen years, not all of them dogs. A short while ago, he treated a kitty whose love bites had turned a little too intense. He's also used the procedure, for various reasons, on wolves and a tiger.
Nielsen may be something of a maverick. Dr. Gail Golab, head of the American Veterinary Medical $#@!n., says that disarming dogs was once fairly common, but that it fell out of favor several years ago as behavioral modification techniques improved. The $#@!ociation is opposed to either tooth removal or disarming, primarily on the grounds that neither addresses the underlying cause of aggression and may lull owners into a false confidence that the animal can no longer inflict injury.
The American Veterinary Dental College agrees that disarming is controversial, but in a position statement adopted in 2005 it endorsed the procedure in "selected cases."
In June, I signed Cotton up. It would cost a pretty penny: $1,600. But it's easy to see why. Nielsen uses state-of-the-art human dental and surgical techniques. Cotton would be sedated before full intubation under general anesthesia. He would receive an IV drip of fluid potassium, and technicians would hook him up to a battery of machines monitoring his oxygen level, heart rate and blood pressure. The doctor would consult digital X-rays taken just before the procedure and track his progress with more X-rays along the way. Cotton would get deep scaling before the procedure and a foamy fluoride treatment after. And he would go home with enough antibiotics and pain relievers to last a week. Once he recovered from the surgery, there would be no lasting side effects: Cotton would be able to eat, chew and play normally.
For all the technology, Nielsen says the most profound effect of canine disarming is psychological. "You can see it in their eyes almost the moment they wake up from the anesthesia," he says. "It's like they're wondering, 'who took away my knives?' " An epiphany that humbles and subdues them for all time. The Bumble from "Rudolph, the Red-Nosed Reindeer" comes to mind. Remember how sweet the ferocious yeti becomes after Hermey, the misfit elf-turned-dentist, does his handiwork?
On the day of Cotton's treatment, another dog -- a 5-year-old pit bull named Jesse -- was also disarmed. Jesse has issues with things that ring. Woe betide anyone who picks up the phone, answers the door or holds a beeping camera in Jesse's presence. Mallory Hartt, 55, of San Pedro, her sons and even their other dog, a Patterdale terrier, all have scars to show for Jesse's peculiar mania.
After the disarming, Jesse was a changed dog. "He just started being silly," Hartt says. "He would jump around like a bunny rabbit. Like he was happy." He hasn't gotten over his ring fetish, and there's already been "a little scuffle" with the terrier. But the important thing, she says, is that the smaller dog emerged from the fray unscathed.
Lynn Morrison, 52, is no less pleased. Morrison had Nielsen disarm Chrissie, one of her five German shepherds, in March after continuing problems that culminated in a trip to the emergency room for her housemate, Judy Johnson, to repair a badly torn calf. "If it wasn't for Dr. Nielsen," says Morrison, "we would have had to euthanize Chrissie, without a doubt."
As for Cotton, he seems to be in denial. When he gets the opportunity, he still pounces at any man who ventures onto our property. A few days after the disarming, our gardener Guadalupe Davila obligingly offered his booted foot for Cotton's delectation. After 30 seconds of ferocious gnawing, Cotton had only succeeded in lightly scoring the thick leather.
The next day, when Cotton bolted out the door to discover handyman Julio Miranda building a new handrail, he grabbed a mouthful of cedar post. After some unbridled gnawing, he only lightly scored the soft wood.
Cotton has yet to actually chomp on human flesh. If he does, we fervently hope the epiphany Nielsen described will finally take hold. Come to think of it, Cotton does sort of resemble the Bumble.
When 'Dog Whisperer' can't help -- latimes.com
08-19-2009, 12:07 PM #3
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08-19-2009, 07:38 PM #4Platinum Member
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Is this a joke? Honestly, people have called us asking us to do that, and we will kindly offer them our euthanasia services.
Shoot the dog.
I watch this last night.....RIDICULOUS. I am a dog groomer and so many of my clients have old decreped dogs with no teeth and they bite harder than a dog with teeth. PUT THE DOG DOWN. There is noooooooooo excuse or reasoning for keeping a HA dog.
**wanna make myself clear here--I am NOT saying put down the dogs that bite at the groomer, that is a totally different circumstance, I'm refering to these dogs that people want to "disarm"
08-19-2009, 11:50 PM #6Silver Member
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"Cesar's efforts were a brilliant success -- until he left our house. For one day, Cotton was the dog I'd always dreamed he could be. Calm and submissive, deferring to the pack leader. Unfortunately, the pack leader was Cesar."
Well, imagine that!!! ;)
Cotton STILL bites, and I fail to understand how filing a dog's teeth down because it's that unstable is more humane than euthanizing it.
Forget that! I would much rather pay for euthanasia than keep a dog that bit me or my family!!!
08-26-2009, 02:50 AM #11
08-26-2009, 06:02 PM #12Bronze Member
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08-27-2009, 09:33 PM #13Junior Member
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Now the only thing that comes to mind is what happens with the nerves of the teeth. Exposed nerves are extremely painful to people, i can only imagine what its like for the dog. I'm a dog groomer and i have seen a little dog that had all of its teeth worn down, i never thought of this procedure to be what could of caused this dogs teeth to be like that.
08-27-2009, 11:09 PM #14
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hmm good question, our terrier mix, (9 years old) has no points on his canines but its from general wear over the years, he has no pain in them at all but my dog growing up had to have a root canal or whatever its called done to one of his canines do to it I think fracturing, I don't know if they would to that to all the teeth or what but its a very good question.
08-31-2009, 12:28 AM #15
Haven't people heard of crating? I crate one of my dogs when we have company, plain and simple. Filing down teeth is just downright horrible
09-04-2009, 07:11 PM #16Senior Member
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HA IS NOT ACCEPTABLE! this dog should be put down! Loving your dog is one thing but really? Would you want to live if you were just a mean unhappy son of a bitch...lol (get it?)
thats like handicapping your dog,if he cant be trusted he shouldnt live an unhappy life and should be pts,i hate that though but if its absolutely necessary then do what u got to do.
09-04-2009, 08:43 PM #18
If your dog is so bad that you'd even consider doing something like that- it needs to be in the ground.
People are stupid. Never fails to amaze me.
I don't think the dog is that bad tough... just an idiot that can't train their dog...
she admitted it herself, when ceaser (altough I don't really like the guy) was at home the dog was an angel... soon as he left all went back to "normal"...
makes me lean more in the direction of a bad owner then a bad dog...
09-05-2009, 08:00 AM #20Bronze Member
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ganja i im with you on that. 20 years keeping bulldogs i have never seen one I couldn't handle or needed to put down because of HA. if you ain't able to handle all situations pertained to these dogs you just shouldn't own them. dogs are animals not robots or slaves they have minds of there own.
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