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    Re: Pit bull mix? Or just plain mutt?

    DNA tested results are crap when it comes to bully breeds. Period

  2. Thank you for adopting!

    I have a shelter mutt too who is a total sweetheart. And yeah, they'll try to p$#@! them off as anything other than a pit bull. Amy was listed as a beagle/bulldog mix:



    If that's a beagle then I'm a ring-tailed lemur.

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    Since when doesn't the ukc recognize the apbt

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ali132 View Post
    No it is not, thats just what un educated people like to think.
    There is ONE pit bull and thats the American pit bull terrier, every other breed has a name or is a mutt.
    Sure, in the utopian ideal, only the APBT is considered a real pit bull. However, those (like the people the OP is encountering) who ask if a dog is a "pit" aren't making that distinction. So in that respect, it has very much become an umbrella term for the lowest common denominator. Take BSL for example: the idiots who draft these legislations often list both American Pit Bull Terrier and "pit bull" as separate entries.

    "Pit bull" as it's written is not a breed. APBT is a breed. While breed enthusiasts may prefer that these should be one in the same, the reality is that outside of these circles, "pit bull" HAS entered the lexicon as an umbrella term referring to these breeds and all those that look similar. In this general respect, a "pit bull" can't be considered anything other than a mutt UNLESS it is pedigreed. OP wasn't asking if the forum thought her dog was an APBT. OP asked if her dog was a "pit" or a mutt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McRose View Post
    Thank you for adopting!

    I have a shelter mutt too who is a total sweetheart. And yeah, they'll try to p$#@! them off as anything other than a pit bull. Amy was listed as a beagle/bulldog mix:



    If that's a beagle then I'm a ring-tailed lemur.
    you need to start postin more pics of her

  6. Quote Originally Posted by walsh390 View Post
    While breed enthusiasts may prefer that these should be one in the same, the reality is that outside of these circles, "pit bull" HAS entered the lexicon as an umbrella term referring to these breeds and all those that look similar.
    In my opinion, breed enthusiasts need to stick to their guns and continue to correctly apply the term, or else we have lost and revisionist history continues.

    Carla

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    Re: Pit bull mix? Or just plain mutt?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sagebrush View Post
    In my opinion, breed enthusiasts need to stick to their guns and continue to correctly apply the term, or else we have lost and revisionist history continues.

    Carla
    Im almost impressed that YOU said that.

    So those same enthusiast should not include Am bullies as Apbts correct? Given that registries allow them to be registered as apbts even when they clearly are not.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Kamdon View Post
    Im almost impressed that YOU said that.

    So those same enthusiast should not include Am bullies as Apbts correct? Given that registries allow them to be registered as apbts even when they clearly are not.
    For ME, "Ambulleez" don't figure into any conversation/discussion about breeds and registries and history.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Flatbedder View Post
    Since when doesn't the ukc recognize the apbt
    It's because most UKC APBTs are ASTs x APBTs.
    They are UKC Pit Bulls since about forever; BUT some don't recognize a pedigree with ANY Am Staf IN it as an APBT.

    It's easy enough to read any UKC pedigree and stay away from ANYTHING with AKC if that is what is desired...you have much better luck with ADBA if you want to STRICTLY STAY AWAY from any AKC dogs.

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    No offense but I get so sick of the mentality of some of our members that "if its not registered and pure bred, its not a Pit Bull nor a 'Pit Bull mix' but only a 'mutt'."


    Thats so silly. How can we encourage people to know their breed in order to learn breed traits and then turn around and say "you cant put breed traits to him because he's just a mutt and nothing more."

    If it's mixed with an APBT then its a Pit Bull mix! And its important to KNOW that it's a Pit Bull mix so that you can be prepared for things like DA or high energy or high prey drive.

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    Sam, If you don't know the linage of your dog, it is considered a mutt, rather it actually be pure bred or not.

    I do believe there CAN be pure bred mutts.

    Mutts=/=Mixes.

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    So what If I have a dog that I KNOW is a German Shepard / Lab mix... Can I call it a German Shepard Lab mix?Or since its so "black and white" what about my inter racial child? I cant tell people he's half Mexican? I have to tell them he's a human mutt?

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    Since the definition of the word mutt is unknown linage, then yes, he would be a human mutt. And honestly? There are a lot of humans out there who do not know where they came from. As for the dog, IF YOU KNOW FOR A FACT that the dog is a German Shepherd and Lab mix, then yes, the dog is just a mix. But if you are just saying that due to coat colors, then it is a Mutt.

    Make sense?

    Of course this is how I see it. :P

    I meant to put above that mixes don't always mean mutts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LovePup View Post
    Since the definition of the word mutt is unknown linage, then yes, he would be a human mutt. And honestly? There are a lot of humans out there who do not know where they came from. As for the dog, IF YOU KNOW FOR A FACT that the dog is a German Shepherd and Lab mix, then yes, the dog is just a mix. But if you are just saying that due to coat colors, then it is a Mutt.

    Make sense?

    Of course this is how I see it. :P

    I meant to put above that mixes don't always mean mutts.

    Maybe you guys misunderstood me.. If you really have no certainty of lineage then YES it is a mutt. You could say "I GUESS that he/she is.... But Im not sure" but I do agree that you cant for sure say the dog IS a whatever/whatever mix if you dont have a pedigree on it.

    What Im saying is that if you KNOW the dog is mixed with whatever breed, you should be able to state that you at least know its mixed with said breed.

    Or if the dog is obviously a bully breed mix you should be able to say its a bully mix. Or if its an obvious terrier mix you should be able to say its a terrier mix. Etc.

    P.s. Obviously i do know the lineage of my own child so no, its not a Mutt. The sire is 100% pedigreed Mexican and the Bitch is 100% Swiss :D

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    LOL! Sam I wasn't calling your child a mutt and you know that! :P

    I think you are getting confused. Or maybe I really am just confusing myself. But If you know for sure that your dog is a German Shepherd and Lab mix, then your dog is a Shepherd mix, Lab Mix, Shepherd/Lab mix. What ever you want to call it.

    Pedigree doesn't always mean that its written on a piece of paper. If you know what dogs where in the making of your dog, thats just as good as a pedigree that is registered. You KNOW what your dog is. You know WHO fathered and mothered your dog (Also its best to know up to 4 gens I believe). Therefore your DOG isn't a mutt. Even if there are mixes through out the line. The dogs are know.

    For example lets take Fido. Fido is a (I don't know...) Great Dane mix. So you ask the puppy's breeder about the parents and they know for a fact the mother was a Great Dane and the Father was a ... Doberman (Both pets; papers are only on the dogs parents). The breeder also goes onto tell you that both dogs parents are papered and have a good bloodline; by request they may show you the papers. So Fido becomes a Great Dane/Doberman mix.

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    you can take a guess and call it a " designer dog " as everyone does now.. Anything mixed if they know what it is gets a name and is a designer breed no longer a mutt.. LOL

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    Well being as in Designer breeds, the Sire and Dame are known, they wouldn't be mutts to begin with. :P The pups would just be a Mix of those two breeds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deezuhl View Post
    you can take a guess and call it a " designer dog " as everyone does now.. Anything mixed if they know what it is gets a name and is a designer breed no longer a mutt.. LOL

    THIS is a brilliant idea lol. Now I can tell people that Sam is a pure bred Jinx Bull Terrier :) hehe

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    Maybe I'll just start calling Garp a $#@! Bully. It seems appropriate, actually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamThePitbull View Post
    No offense but I get so sick of the mentality of some of our members that "if its not registered and pure bred, its not a Pit Bull nor a 'Pit Bull mix' but only a 'mutt'."


    Thats so silly. How can we encourage people to know their breed in order to learn breed traits and then turn around and say "you cant put breed traits to him because he's just a mutt and nothing more."

    If it's mixed with an APBT then its a Pit Bull mix! And its important to KNOW that it's a Pit Bull mix so that you can be prepared for things like DA or high energy or high prey drive.
    Exactly. There are dogs all over the place in rescues that clearly resemble bull - and -terrier breeds or bull breeds. Owners should be prepared for common breed traits, just like they should be prepared for the common traits if they were to adopt any other dog that closely resembled a different group/breed of dogs.

    For example, we have a mutt that we rescued. She is CLEARLY part cattle dog. And guess what? She heels like a freakin' cattle dog - the other dog, people and I would bet money she'd do it on livestock if given the chance.

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