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Breeder Referral?

Discussion in 'General Dog Discussions' started by Pit Mother, Apr 3, 2015.

  1. Pit Mother

    Pit Mother Puppy

    Hello everyone,

    I've been looking for a pitbull breeder for a few months now, and I have come up with nothing. If I type in on google, say: "Pitbull breeder" the only thing that comes up is the XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXL bullies. If I type in: "APBT breeder" only the game-dog looking pitbulls come up, which is not what I want.

    So can anyone help me out? I'm looking for solidly built dog on the taller side with that "sinister" look that is just absolutely gorgeous. 60-70lbs would be great, 80lbs is pushing it... I know that probably isn't the APBT standard, but I do not think 60lbs could be considered a bully, would it?

    This is the style I was hoping for, I think I attached the picture correctly. I apologize if I didn't. If this is not an APBT, sorry, if it is, what style is it? If it's not- what would you call it?

    Again, looking for breeder referrals!

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  2. NobodyHere

    NobodyHere Guest

    What you posted a picture of isn't an APBT. What it sounds like you actually want is either an AmStaff, or an American Bully. I would spend some time doing research on those two breeds, make a decision only AFTER you've done your homework, and only THEN start looking for an ethical/responsible breeder, since it doesn't seem like you're actually fully aware of what it is you're looking for yet.

    Generally, though, while we can help you with what to look for when you're searching for an ethical/responsible (notice I didn't say reputable -- good reputation and ethics are not necessarily mutually inclusive in these breeds) breeder, most of us aren't going to provide any actual breeder referrals to someone we don't know.
  3. Pit Mother

    Pit Mother Puppy

    What would you consider the specific dog I posted then? I didn't think it was an Amstaff.
  4. NobodyHere

    NobodyHere Guest

    It could be either, without knowing the dog and its pedigree nobody can tell you because the two can look similar. All I can say is that it's not an APBT. There are no "varieties" of APBT where, for example, dogs under a certain weight are Pit Bulls and dogs over a certain weight are Bully (though 60 pounds is considered on the very large end for a purebred APBT and most oversized dogs are not APBTs). A dog is either an APBT or it's not. A dog is either a Bully, or it's not. They're entirely different breeds.
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  5. Pit Mother

    Pit Mother Puppy

    Okay, then I am looking for a bully, but a very specific style I supposed. Not the huge heads and the huge shoulders but like the dog I posted. I have no idea where I would find one though.

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  6. kady05

    kady05 Krypto Super Dog

    Sounds like you'd like the Classic American Bully then. Ethical breeders are hard to find in the Bully world, unfortunately.

    As SS said, you may also want to consider an Amstaff. They can be pretty similar in looks to the dog you posted. Most male Amstaffs are around 60-70lbs. and between 18-20" tall at the shoulders when full grown (although there are always exceptions). One of my boys, just to show you:

  7. Pit Mother

    Pit Mother Puppy


    He is so gorgeous!!!
  8. kady05

    kady05 Krypto Super Dog

    Thanks, he's a good boy :)
  9. ShanaRowan

    ShanaRowan FlirtPolin' Premium Member

    Okay I'm sorry but that made me LOL!! So true.

    Since AmBullies are now accepted by UKC, see if you can get out to some shows, see the dogs and meet the breeders. I agree that searching via Google is probably going to be more frustrating than anything else.
  10. Pit Mother

    Pit Mother Puppy

    I did find an AM bully breeder! The exact thing I was looking for, too. He has an instagram up and posts literally hundreds of pictures of just his dogs. They aren't really that "fat" bully, pretty tall, thick, muscular, healthy. I've been texting the owner all night trying to find out about breedings, they're very open, give me an answer to everything. I just asked if their dogs were health tested. If yes then it will probably be a go. If not... I will be one sad camper.

    The breeding I was interested in hasn't happened yet, so the EARLIEST I can get a puppy from them is August, gives me so much time!!

    I'll try to post a picture of the sire.

    KINDLEO1.jpg KINGLEO2.jpg

    All the pictures of the dam are on instagram, shes gorgeous, too.
    If anyone have any hate against my choice, please don't comment!
  11. Pit Mother

    Pit Mother Puppy

    Do AM bullies have the same basic problems as APBT?
  12. NobodyHere

    NobodyHere Guest

    Remember that thing I mentioned about doing plenty of research BEFORE you rush out and look for a breeder? I was serious. The person you found in all of a few hours advertises their American Bullies as APBTs. Read this thread, because you're putting yourself in the same situation: New puppy! Lots of questions.
  13. Pit Mother

    Pit Mother Puppy

    Oh, okay.

    Every bully breeder I've found lists their dogs as pitbulls, though. Does this mean I can't get one? And the ones that are listed as bullies are those tiny dwarf dogs that are half way up to your knee.
  14. NobodyHere

    NobodyHere Guest

    There are A LOT of Bully breeders. Unfortunately, the vast majority of them range from "just" lacking ethics in terms of failing to do necessarily health testing and registering/selling their dogs as the correct breed, to scam artists who would pawn their own grandmother's wooden leg if they thought they could get a buck for it, nevermind the horrible shit they do with their dogs and what they're willing to sell to anyone gullible enough to buy into it. There are a few who are starting to slowly trickle in and try to do it the right way, particularly now that UKC has recognized them as a breed, but you're more likely to take a walk through the woods and randomly stumble upon a unicorn. If you really decide that a Bully is what you want, it may take a very long time to find a legitimately good breeder. An alternative, as mentioned, while obviously not the same breed, would be an AmStaff. There are still incredibly shady breeders in ASTs, and again, unfortunately, good reputation does not necessarily equate to ethics. It's up to you to make sure that any breeder you speak to can provide actual proof of health testing and titles that they claim their dogs hold, and read contracts thoroughly.
  15. bull_dog_lover_71

    bull_dog_lover_71 Little Dog

    That pic of that animal on that breeders website made me choke on my pepsi hahaha wtf is that???? Looks to be an oversized mutt to be honest... Give me an inbred 40 lbs apbt over those oversized mutts any day
  16. Pit Mother

    Pit Mother Puppy

    Thank you! I like the Amstaffs but they just wouldn't fit in here, I don't think. We own a Great Pyrenees puppy who is five months old and fifty pounds, lean, and a typical Golden Retriever, 70-80lbs a little overweight, he's nine years-old now. My Great Pyr pup plays extremely rough also, he never gets aggressive but loves to roll around and wrestle and sit on top of other dogs, I would be worried an Amstaff wouldn't hold up well, especially a female.
  17. Pit Mother

    Pit Mother Puppy

    Last night the breeder told me they did not test the hips and elbows of their dogs, but if something like that comes up "they will do whatever it takes to fix it or satisfy the client". I feel like this is a good thing, but someone here will probably tell me why it's not and that is fine, I need to know.
    They're sending me their contract later today.
  18. NobodyHere

    NobodyHere Guest

    No, that's not acceptable at all. The reason is because, like most Bully breeders (and I would extend this to most breeders of bull breeds, including the "good ol boy" APBT breeders), this person very clearly doesn't understand the entire point of doing health testing in the first place. Usually, they're say something to the effect of "health testing doesn't always guarantee you'll produce healthy puppies so there's no point." And, frankly, a lot of times they won't do it because they can keep telling people that there are no health issues in their dogs and there is no direct proof otherwise, so it's a ploy to keep scamming people. Health testing, for the most part, is NOT meant to be an absolute guarantee that a breeder won't produce any puppies with health issues. The exception to this rule is when the genetics behind a particular disorder is known and there is a DNA test for it, like NCL-A (cerebellar ataxia) that should be done in AmStaffs and Bullies and CRD-2 (cone rod dystrophy) in certain APBT lines, etc. The purpose of health testing is to avoid breeding affected dogs, or at least making educated decisions about whether to breed an affected dog (depending on what, exactly, the issue is), which can increase or guarantee their chances OF producing dogs with health issues.
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  19. _unoriginal

    _unoriginal Cow Dog

    Why not a female? Male/female pairings are better than same sex pairings. Because you already have 2 males, I would urge you to get a female to try to avoid some same sex aggression.

    Another thing, are you aware that AmBullies, though created for a different purpose, are still related to other bull breeds and still have the propensity to be dog aggressive, regardless of rearing, training, and socialization? If your purpose, or part of your purpose, for getting this dog is to be a playmate to another dog, you should reconsider the dog altogether. Regardless of the breed, they may not get along at one point or another. The purpose of getting a dog should always be for the humans only so IF the dog doesn't get along with other dogs, you won't be looking to return immediately.

    Are you okay with the possibility of keeping dogs separated? If not, I think you may want to look into a different breed group.
  20. Pit Mother

    Pit Mother Puppy

    I will ask them why they do not health test, I never did.

    When I asked if they did they said: No, we do not test hips and elbows, we always stand by our dogs and customers 100% and provide a lifetime guarantee for your dog.

    What does that mean?!
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