Pit Bull Chat Forum http://www.pitbull-chat.com Pit Bull Chat is an educational community of advocates, owners and lovers of the pit bull dog breeds who promotes responsible ownership and rescue work en Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:27:34 GMT vBulletin 60 http://www.pitbull-chat.com/images/006/misc/rss.jpg Pit Bull Chat Forum http://www.pitbull-chat.com allday http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12867&goto=newpost Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:11:13 GMT what up? happy 2 b here . look forward to sharing with all of the pit family.well running out of things to type . its listed that this was optional... what up? happy 2 b here . look forward to sharing with all of the pit family.well running out of things to type . its listed that this was optional but it want let me enter with out it.............. ]]> Introductions allday http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12867 after ten years ive got my lil baby bull ,and just want to learn as much as i can . http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12866&goto=newpost Wed, 20 Aug 2008 08:44:02 GMT so after ten years of i finally got my lil baby. Bull , is his name, hes a AMSTAFF 8 wks old . this is my second dog my first was when i was 15 and... so after ten years of i finally got my lil baby. Bull , is his name, hes a AMSTAFF 8 wks old . this is my second dog my first was when i was 15 and she got stolen .. well the breeder told me he was Budro , sorry if its not spelled right , and Gotti .. ]]> Introductions kennysay http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12866 LadyBug was finally spayed!!! http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12865&goto=newpost Wed, 20 Aug 2008 08:36:34 GMT I am SO happy! With this girl we were of course concerned as to how she would do under anethesia and with her diagnosis the Dr.s felt it was ok to go... I am SO happy! With this girl we were of course concerned as to how she would do under anethesia and with her diagnosis the Dr.s felt it was ok to go ahead with the procedure.

From her foster mom, the vet student:

Quote:
Ladybug was spayed last night, and is back home and doing well. I was able to watch the surgery and she was remarkably stable during the whole procedure. She woke up quickly and easily, and just did great. Today, she is quiet, but seems good (and she is on pain meds).
]]> PNWPBR http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12865 TDI anyone? http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12864&goto=newpost Wed, 20 Aug 2008 07:54:35 GMT Anyone here have working knowledge of TDI, their org or the test itself? Anyone have that title on their dog? If not, do any of you have a therapy... Anyone here have working knowledge of TDI, their org or the test itself? Anyone have that title on their dog?

If not, do any of you have a therapy title with another org? If so which one and what was your experience/test/training like?



Thanks! ]]> PNWPBR http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12864 Alpha http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12863&goto=newpost Wed, 20 Aug 2008 06:25:24 GMT I have two young pitbulls (both males, both neutered, the young one was neutered 10 days ago). The first one 15 months (black) and the other 8 months... I have two young pitbulls (both males, both neutered, the young one was neutered 10 days ago). The first one 15 months (black) and the other 8 months (brown, red nose). I've had these dogs since they were each two months old and they have grown-up together. Recently we've had some problems.


The older black one is dominant but the younger rednose continues to display aggression tendancies like wanting to walk first and not being submissive to the older one. The older one recently attacked the younger one for wanting to go first into the house and the younger suffered a deep bite to the neck. How can I stop the fighting. What kind of training can I do to stop a perhaps fatal fight? The dogs both weigh the same and it appears that the younger will eventually be alpha because he seems to be stronger willed, more aggressive and probably will be bigger when mature. I'm afraid the older one will kill the younger one or the younger will kill the older one when they become a bit older. Is it possible to resolve the alpha question without them fighting?

 ]]> General Dog Discussions einstein http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12863 Alpha problems http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12862&goto=newpost Wed, 20 Aug 2008 06:15:35 GMT 44 year old woman living on a small island in Thailand. Two pitbulls, love the breed!! Looking forward to joining the group 44 year old woman living on a small island in Thailand. Two pitbulls, love the breed!! Looking forward to joining the group ]]> Introductions einstein http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12862 Is it appropiate to have your dog sleep with you on a regular basis? http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12861&goto=newpost Wed, 20 Aug 2008 06:01:08 GMT I been wondering what everyones thoughts about having your dog sleep with you . I know theirs a thread similar to this but that thread is asking if... I been wondering what everyones thoughts about having your dog sleep with you .
I know theirs a thread similar to this but that thread is asking if your dog sleeps with you. this one that i made is asking if its "appropiate" to have your dog sleep with you.. What i mean by this is..

Ok say you have a a teenage daughter.. and your a father. Would it be appropiate for the father to sleep with the daughter ? Not sure if i should be comparing a dog to a human but yea..

And a, when your dog sleeps with you, the hair gets on your bed and yea..

And also, when your dogs outside he brings the outside germs from maybe his urine that he step'd on and all that stuff.. inside your bed

And if you let your dog just to keep warm at night , you could get more blankets.

sorry about my grammar lol . hope yall can understand what im trying to say :p

p.s. i do let rex sleep with me but i am thinking about changing that..



/discuss :o

plz feel free to tell me that you disagree with my thoughts or w/e . im not sensitive/wont flip out on you lol ]]> General Dog Debates Jelet http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12861 Warning Dog Toy Product http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12859&goto=newpost Wed, 20 Aug 2008 05:27:00 GMT This is a repost from another forum On Sunday, June 22, 2008 my 10-year old lab mix, Chai, sustained a severe injury from a product that the... This is a repost from another forum


On Sunday, June 22, 2008 my 10-year old lab mix, Chai, sustained a severe injury from a product that the company Four Paws Inc, produces. The toy I'm referencing is the pimple ball with bell. (Item #20227-001, UPC Code 0 4566320227 9)

While chewing on the toy, a vacuum was created and it effectively sucked his tongue into the hole in the ball. From speaking with my vet, this likely occurred because there is not a second hole in the ball preventing the vacuum effect from happening. I became aware of this when Chai approached a friend at my home whimpering with the ball in his mouth. She tried unsuccessfully to remove the ball but the tongue had swollen and could not be released.


Chai was taken to the Animal Medical Center (an emergency care facility in New York City) and was treated by Dr. Nicole Spurlock to have the ball removed. Because the size of the opening on the ball was so small, all circulation to his tongue was cut off. The doctors had to sedate him in order to remove it. Once the ball was removed, his tongue swelled to the point that he could no longer put it in his mouth. Chai was sent home with care instructions and to be observed overnight for any changes.

By the following morning Chai’s tongue had swollen even more.

He was taken to his regular vet, Dr. Timnah Lee, for treatment. He was admitted and kept sedated for a period of three days during which time they were treating his wounds and waiting to determine how much of his tongue could be saved. On June 26, 2008 Chai had his tongue amputated.

He was kept in after-care for an additional three days. On Sunday June 29th I brought Chai home from the vet with a barrage of home care instructions, to last for an additional 7 days. His next visit was to have his mouth re-examined and have the feeding tube in his neck removed.

On the way home from the vet we stopped at Petland Discount where I purchased their product to speak to the manager on duty. Upon meeting Chai and seeing his condition, he removed all of the balls in question from the shelves. He also gave me the customer service number to their corporate headquarters to request that they refuse to continue purchasing all Four Paws products, but I have not called them as of yet.



Additionally, I shared my story with friends who have a French Bulldog named Petunia. Upon hearing my story their eyes widened. They explained that the same thing happened twice in one night with a smaller version of the same ball to their dog. Fortunately, they were able to pull it off before the tongue swelled, but not without tremendous effort and pain to the dog. They recalled how horrific it was to hear their dog screaming while they had to pry the ball from her tongue.

To date, my veterinary bills total over $5000.00 and I will have regular follow up appointments for some time. Additionally, Chai now requires a much more expensive form of food because of this injury, averaging approximately $200 per month.

Also - I am Chai’s sole caretaker and the regime required to care for him following his surgery has forced me to lose a great deal of business. I am a hair stylist and my salon is in my home. Given that Chai needs constant attention, and given that he has been wailing in pain, I have not been able to see clients.
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]]> Wootness http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12859 Adoptabulls In Memphis Tn http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12857&goto=newpost Wed, 20 Aug 2008 05:06:03 GMT From: *Memphis pit bull safe haven*... From: Memphis pit bull safe haven
Date: Aug 19, 2008 7:29 PM


Memphis Pit Bull Safe Haven has many great Adopt-a-bulls right now, and they are looking for great homes!!!

Our dogs come fully vetted
-spayed/neutered
-heartworm tested/treated
-up to date on shots (7 in 1 & rabies)
-current on Heartworm Preventative & flea medication

Stripe, Phoenix & moon
14 week old female pit bull puppies. Rescued from a back yard breeder.
They had parvo when rescued and now are looking for their forever homes!!! They are all kennel trained, but with them being so young we are still working on house breaking!


Stripe


Phoenix



Moon




EMO
7 Month old male pit bull
Abandoned in a back yard, left to starve and die.
Was brought into rescue needing a blood transfusion, and lots of love and food!
Now ready for adoption! Loves other dogs, is ok with cats and is EXCELLENT with children over 3 as he is still a happy puppy.






GINA
1 year old female pit bull
Chained to a pole with 2 feet of chain, no food or water unless the loving neighbor took care of her! (thank you Gina) We brought her into rescue, and she is now ready for her forever home.

Gina is house broken, Kennel Trained and very sweet! She is good with most dogs, and fine with cats.





REMMEL
6 month old Female pit bull
Abandoned at a vet clinic after the man decided he didnt want to pay for the ear crop. She was brought into rescue and is still waiting for the perfect home. Remmel is kennel trained and we are working on house breaking her.
Remmel is Great with all dogs, Cats and Children!!



If you are interested in FOSTERING or ADOPTING any one of these beautiful babies please contact MEMPHIS PIT BULL SAFE HAVEN

memphispitbullrescue@live.com
www. petfinder. com/shelters/TN504
www. myspace. com/memphispitbullrescue

Thank you
Memphis Pit Bull Safe Haven

Please do not contact us about taking in any pit bulls at this time. We have many more in house, and no fosters. The ones listed above are the only ones AVAILABLE FOR ADOPTION. ]]> Loki http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12857 the Woot monster http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12856&goto=newpost Wed, 20 Aug 2008 04:50:57 GMT Well here is some more of the woot monster! anyone craving woot pictures? Well this is woots MUG shot Image:... Well here is some more of the woot monster! anyone craving woot pictures?

Well this is woots MUG shot


U wants me to do this mom?


I am confuseddd


ok I am starting to get really bored


I know... I'm beautiful


what? dont you think so


well....



You know WHAT! I gots peanut butter on my nose... you like me now?




Wait you dont? well fine BLEEEEEEAAAAA





Well I will just starzes at ya
]]> Wootness http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12856 Brush http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12855&goto=newpost Wed, 20 Aug 2008 03:04:03 GMT How often do you brush your dogs and what brush do you use (picture of brush would be very helpful, if I'm not asking to much) ? ]]> Red Bull http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12855 hello http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12854&goto=newpost Wed, 20 Aug 2008 02:57:54 GMT Hi,
I am really glad that I found this site. I just got 6 mo. old red nose and I'll probably have more than couple of questions for all of you experienced Pit Bull owners.
Thank you for all your future help! :) ]]> Introductions Red Bull http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12854 Sydney http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12853&goto=newpost Wed, 20 Aug 2008 02:22:35 GMT Hello all my name is Kristin and I am owned by a 1.5yr old APBT named Sydney, a 2yr Caique(parrot) named Monkie, a 7yr old Ball Python named... Hello all my name is Kristin and I am owned by a 1.5yr old APBT named Sydney, a 2yr Caique(parrot) named Monkie, a 7yr old Ball Python named Mrs.Pearl, and an Albino Leopard Gecko named Speedy.

Some of you we already know, but for those of you we do not...Me and Syd are involved in Obedience, Schutzhund, just started with some weight pulling for fun, and have recently been apart of our very first -FUN- Show...Sydney is CGC certified and we are about to enter into Novice level obedience for fun, and possibly competition.

I am also caregiver to my ex-BF's 6yr old APBT, Lady and to my pit/doxie mix foster dog, Chickie

Sydney:


Monkie: ~he thinks his a pit bull~


Mrs. Pearl:


Lady:


Chickie:
]]> Introductions Sydney http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12853 Hello http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12852&goto=newpost Wed, 20 Aug 2008 01:35:29 GMT Hi, my name is Kayla. I have a pitbull puppy, Her name was Flower and I think I might change it to Geneva. I don't know why, but it seems like a realy cool name. I am very anxious to know more about taking care of a pit bull puppy. She has a big scar on her hind quarters, and when people talk loudly [not even if its in a mean way] she starts to pee herself. and I basicaly want to know why and if there is anything i Can do to halp her. ]]> Introductions kayla5 http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12852 A walk in the park (and some other Lucy randomness) http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12851&goto=newpost Wed, 20 Aug 2008 01:30:08 GMT I brought my camera with today when we went for our evening walk over to the park across from my house:
I'm not gonna look at you mom

fine, I'll look

oh, come on.... (I'm not good at coming up with captions)






I'm tired

Why are you doing this to me

Lookie what I did to the carrot I stole out mommy's Farmers' Market bag


And some photos from the back yard, how is she looking.....she is just a pet




I hope you enjoyed! ]]> luvapit http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12851 Long Nails??? http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12850&goto=newpost Wed, 20 Aug 2008 01:07:32 GMT So my 5 year old staffy has nails that no matter how often I trim them the quick doesnt go back so she always has nails that are LONG... I have had... So my 5 year old staffy has nails that no matter how often I trim them the quick doesnt go back so she always has nails that are LONG... I have had the vet knock her out and trim them way back which was great but then as her nails grew, the quick grew out too even though I did file them as the vet suggested. Any suggestions on how to get that quick to either go back a bit so she isnt walking on such claws?? ]]> Nicki_M http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12850 ejactulation without any humping? http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12849&goto=newpost Wed, 20 Aug 2008 01:02:54 GMT i was on the phone . and rex was sitting on my bed and i was looking at him when i was on the phone and he was in the sit position. and i see him... i was on the phone . and rex was sitting on my bed and i was looking at him when i was on the phone and he was in the sit position. and i see him getting a randomy red rocket.. and then im looking at it and i see sperm im guessing squirting out of his thing... But he wasnt humping anything.. And i saw his penis open up when it squirted out. And it got on my bed to :mad:. now i gota clean my sheets.
so my question is. is this normal behavior? If he wasnt humping anything..

he is 9 months and not nuetered... ]]> Jelet http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12849 Socializing in Northern New Jersey http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12848&goto=newpost Wed, 20 Aug 2008 00:59:28 GMT :)Does anyone know a good Puppy school in the Northern New Jersey area? I wanna Socialize my Bella, and i dont know too many people with dogs. My... :)Does anyone know a good Puppy school in the Northern New Jersey area? I wanna Socialize my Bella, and i dont know too many people with dogs. My Bella is 4 Months old and i want her to have some friends. If anyone lives in the area and has some free time on the weekends for a play date please let me know.:) ]]> General Dog Discussions APBT Bella http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12848 proud pit bull owner http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12845&goto=newpost Tue, 19 Aug 2008 23:18:30 GMT Hundreds of thousands illegal immigrants in Miami, yet my Pit Bull is the one who's not allowed to stay there?? ]]> Introductions Red Bull http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12845 Proud Pitbull Owner http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12844&goto=newpost Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:53:02 GMT Michael and myself rescued our loved Pitbull Cino (short for Pacino), from the girl at our vets office. He was a bait dog and was the only dog not... Michael and myself rescued our loved Pitbull Cino (short for Pacino), from the girl at our vets office. He was a bait dog and was the only dog not euthanized after being rescued. He needed a home and we gladly accepted the duty. ]]> Introductions Cino http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12844 Pit Bull Knocks Woman To Ground, Tugs Hair http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12843&goto=newpost Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:12:00 GMT CLEVELAND -- Neighbors want Cleveland police and the dog warden to capture a pit bull before it attacks again. Police said Vernest Dickson was... CLEVELAND -- Neighbors want Cleveland police and the dog warden to capture a pit bull before it attacks again.
Police said Vernest Dickson was walking her dog just after 6 a.m. Tuesday when a pit bull knocked a woman to the ground.
The pit bull was then tugging her hair and trying to drag her dog away, the woman told police.
The victim said the neighbor threw a drain pipe at the pit bull and it ran off.
Dickson was not bitten but was scratched and scraped.
The attack happened on Aspinwall Avenue on Cleveland's east side.
If you see the brown and white pit bull, call police.

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http://www.newsnet5.com/news/17232380/detail.html ]]> Pit Bulls in the News firedrake13 http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12843 New to the Forum http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12842&goto=newpost Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:04:26 GMT Been surfing this forum for a little while, and finally decided to join. Looks like a great site, and i'm always wanting to learn more about this breed. I currently have 2 APBT's.

Gunner - blue fawn 10 weeks, 24 pounds
Misha 1/2 pit, 1/2 Mastiff, 5 1/2 months

Thanks! ]]> Introductions sctsnpr http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12842 Coucil Approves Breed-Less Animal Ordinance http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12841&goto=newpost Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:48:53 GMT *Council approves breed-less animal ordinance* Tuesday, August 19, 2008 ~ Updated 9:13 AM By Randy M. Cauthron, Managing Editor After lengthy... Council approves breed-less animal ordinance

Tuesday, August 19, 2008 ~ Updated 9:13 AM
By Randy M. Cauthron, Managing Editor


After lengthy discussions at two previous city council sessions, followed by a meeting with Dr. Tom Beall of Homestead Small Animal Practice, Monday night the Spencer City Council passed the final filing of an amended amendment dealing with unrestrained vicious animals in public.

The key objection to the ordinance brought before the council initially in July was the listing of breed-specific animals, rather than a more general focus. Objectors also stressed that the irresponsible owners needed to be held more accountable as opposed to just looking at the animal itself.

The Public Safety Committee met Aug. 12 to take into consideration the public comments that had been received during the first and second filings of the ordinance. It was determined that the ordinance should remain intact with the exception of removing any reference to a specific breed of dog; instead the ordinance gives a detailed definition of a "vicious animal," and also clarifies when an animal may be destroyed.

Council members for the most part agreed with the changes, at least for the time being.

"I'm going to vote for this ordinance tonight," said Ward 3 Councilman Steve Bomgaars with the anticipated "but" forthcoming. "We had a good discussion in committee with regard to omitting the breed specific; but I think we should keep a watchful eye."

Bomgaars suggested that the city continue to watch communities like Council Bluffs and Ottumwa to see how their ordinances for vicious animals are handled.

Ward 5 Councilman Ron Hanson agreed.
I'm not as convinced that some of these breeds are lap dogs," Bomgaars said, adding that if Police Chief Mark Lawson continues to report problems with these specific dog breeds, the council should come back and reconsider the decision to omit the names.
Mayor Reynold Peterson said, "One other thing that came out of the meeting is that we need to review ordinances with animals to put more liability on owners."


The new amendment passed on a 7-0 vote.


http://www.spencerd ailyreporter. co.../ 1453939.html


~~ I just thought this was interesting. ]]> Breed Specific Legislation apbtmom76 http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12841 Finally! http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12840&goto=newpost Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:46:43 GMT Voy a Trabajar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lunes!!

Por Favor Believe it!!!!!!!!!!!

That's all til I finish a few Coronas for celebration! ]]> Chit Chat Big_Ant http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12840 Howdy from Texas http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12839&goto=newpost Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:40:07 GMT First-time owners of a blue nose pitbull. We want to learn more so we decided to join the forum. We are looking forward to being a part of this... First-time owners of a blue nose pitbull. We want to learn more so we decided to join the forum. We are looking forward to being a part of this forum. ]]> Introductions kaponesparents http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12839 Histiocytoma http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12838&goto=newpost Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:29:37 GMT Well Bandito went from Best of Show winner to having a nasty histiocytoma on top of his poor little head. I thought he had gotten a wood sliver in... Well Bandito went from Best of Show winner to having a nasty histiocytoma on top of his poor little head.
I thought he had gotten a wood sliver in the top of his head (he was chewing a 2 x 4 Saturday) but there was nothing in there. Just this perfectly round, ulcerated sore.
He is on antibiotics and a topical steroid cream.
Doc says don't let him bump it and it may go away on it's own in 3-6 months!

Miakoda - you ever seen this before? How am I gonna keep this dog down for 3-6 months?! Halp!





]]> Dtwo http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12838 AKC Sells Out Dog Owners http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12837&goto=newpost Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:03:49 GMT AKC Sells Out Dog Owners

Withdraws Opposition to California's AB 1634,
Which Remains Dangerous To All Pet Owners

by JOHN YATES
American Sporting Dog Alliance
http://www.american sportingdogallia nce.org
asda@csonline. net

SACRAMENTO, CA – The American Kennel Club Board of Directors voted
unanimously this week to withdraw its opposition to legislation that
will wreak havoc on California dog owners and set a dangerous
precedent for many other states to follow.

It is urgent for all California dog owners to fax their state
senator immediately to clearly state your continued opposition to AB
1634, which is now called the "California Responsible Pet Ownership
Act," as a final Senate vote is expected on Monday, August 18.
Please let your senator know that AKC does not speak for you.

It also is urgent for dog owners in all 50 states to contact AKC
officers today and ask them to publicly renounce this legislation
prior to the Senate vote. It also is appropriate for nonresidents to
let elected officials know what this legislation will mean for
tourism, field trials, performance events and field trials.

If passed into law, this legislation will unleash a reign of terror
against California dog owners by animal rights activists. The result
could be the destruction of a lifetime labor of love for any fancier
who is accused of any violation of any law pertaining to animals.
For example, the amended legislation allows for unproven allegations
to result in the forced sterilization of every dog in a kennel after
three complaints for barking or noise.

Animal rights extremists will find it easy to destroy an entire
kennel through noise ordinances alone. It's easy to make dogs bark,
especially when their owners are not at home. All that it would take
is a phone call to complain to authorities for the civil penalties
to kick in. All of the dogs in a kennel would have to be spayed or
neutered after the third time this happens. It is a dream scenario
for animal rights fanatics.

As with previous versions of the legislation, dog owners will be
denied the right to contest civil penalties in court or to appeal
them. No provisions are contained in the legislation to require a
hearing or allow for an appeal. Civil penalties apply when a
citation is filed.

The AKC negotiated in secret with Rep. Lloyd Levine and agreed to
a "compromise" on AB 1634, which continues to be staunchly opposed
by virtually all kennel clubs and dog owners' organizations in the
state. Levine is allied with some of the most radical animal rights
groups in California, and has stated publicly that he wants to see
almost every dog and cat in the state spayed or neutered.

In cutting the deal with Levine, AKC slapped the face of every
member of its affiliated clubs in California and signaled a
willingness to work against the interests and beliefs of dog owners
nationwide.

As justification for the deal, an AKC announcement said the
legislation simply requires dog owners to follow the law and be
responsible. The American Sporting Dog Alliance rejects this
position, because current laws already address animal control
problems and mandate penalties for noncompliance. There is no reason
to make owners of intact animals into second-class citizens by
imposing a double penalty and endangering their dogs.

Perhaps the greatest error committed by AKC was to create division
and disunity in the ranks of dog owners. This is cause for
celebration among the animal rights groups, as their most successful
tactic has been to divide and conquer animal owners. AKC stumbled
into the trap they set.

Animal rights groups have targeted AKC as the weak link in dog
owners' advocacy groups, and are portraying the lumbering and
toothless giant as the voice of all dog owners. AKC has come under
sharp attack for its main function as a registry for purebred dogs,
and has shown an increasing tendency to compromise with the very
groups that want to destroy it. Animal rights groups oppose dog
breeding in any form and regard every compromise as a victory that
carries them one step closer to their long-range goal of eliminating
animals from American life.

The American Sporting Dog Alliance is asking dog owners in every
state to inform the AKC that compromising our rights of pet
ownership is not acceptable to us, and that we expect the
organization to stand with us on the frontlines of the battle
against animal rights legislation.

Contact information for state senators and AKC officers will be
provided at the bottom of this report.

AKC apparently won two concessions in the "compromise. "

The first is that Levine inserted a provision to exempt nonresidents
from the law if they can prove that their dogs are temporarily in
California for shows, events, training and other legal activities.
Prior versions of the bill would have made it unsafe to bring dogs
into the state for AKC-sanctioned events, which would have hit AKC
in the pocketbook. However, Levine also gained the assurance that
his draconian law would not hurt tourism in California, thus making
it more politically palatable to elected officials.

The "compromise" also eliminated a provision to allow anyone to make
an anonymous complaint about dog owners, which could have led to
citations and forced sterilization.

However, Levine gave up almost nothing in real terms.

Here is a summary of the key points in the current version of AB
1634:

· Any law enforcement official (police, animal control
officers, sheriffs, humane police officers, etc.) is authorized to
file citations for any offense of any existing law or municipal
ordinance pertaining to animals. These include violations of
licensing, leash, animal cruelty and excessive barking laws.

· Citations have two components. The first component is the
alleged violation of existing law, which requires proof and a guilty
plea or verdict to kick in fines or jail terms provided by existing
laws. The second component is for a civil penalty, which kicks in by
the citation itself. No proof or conviction is required for the
civil penalty to apply, and the legislation provides for no way to
challenge or appeal it.

· For dogs, the civil penalty for any citation alleging a
violation of a law is set at $50 for the first offense, $100 plus
mandatory microchipping for the second offense, and mandatory forced
sterilization for a third offense. There is no way to contest or
appeal these civil penalties. For cats, microchipping and
sterilization are mandated for the second offense.

· The legislation also is rife with ambiguity, which would
allow each law enforcement officer, magistrate and judge wide
latitude to interpret the law. One ambiguous part of the legislation
could be interpreted to make the ownership of an intact dog that is
found to be roaming at large a violation of the law. It says: "A
person who owns or possesses within the state any intact dog that is
properly licensed, as required by law, but whose dog is at large may
be cited, and, if cited, shall pay a civil penalty as provided in
this section." A literal reading of that sentence allows people to
be cited for the ownership of an intact dog regardless of the
circumstances. A dog may escape confinement for purely accidental
reasons such as a mail carrier forgetting to close a gate, or a
young child opening a door.

· We expect hunting and field trial dogs to be at the greatest
risk. In theory, it is possible to a hunting or field trial dog that
gets lost to be cited three times for a single occurrence. It could
be cited for roaming at large, not wearing a collar and license tag
(animal rights extremist will stalk field trials and public hunting
areas to remove tags and collars), and for animal cruelty if the dog
is overheated, appears tired or appears thin because of athletic
conditioning.

· The civil penalties would apply to any intact dog that is
not licensed or improperly licensed, which could mean a licensed dog
that slips a collar, or is not wearing a collar and tag at home or
at a dog show or field trial.

· Those two provisions make dog owners especially vulnerable
to tactics used by some animal rights extremists, who often kidnap
dogs and take them to shelters, turn dogs loose and call animal
control officers, or remove the collars and license tags from dogs.
Hunting dogs have been targeted most often by these tactics.

· And the only exemptions for waiving microchipping or
sterilization mandates are a signed statement from a veterinarian
saying that it would endanger the dog's health.

Here is a link to the revised legislation:
http://www.leginfo. ca.gov/pub/ 07-08/bill/ asm/ab_1601-
1650/ab_1634_ bill_20080812_ amended_sen_ v88.html. Please read it for
yourself.

What You Can Do

Please telephone or FAX your California state senator. Let your
senator know that you oppose AB 1634 in its current form, and that
AKC does not represent you on this legislation. Here is a list of
each senator's fax number (courtesy of Cat Fanciers of America).
Because the vote could come early Monday, Faxes are the most
reliable means of communication. Phone calls are a second choice.

California State Senators

Capitol
Capitol
Senator Telephone Fax
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DEMOCRATS:
Elaine Alquist 916-651-4013 916-324-0283
Ron Calderon 916-651-4030 916-327-8755
Gilbert Cedillo 916-651-4022 916-327-8817
Ellen Corbett 916-651-4010 916-327-2433
Louis Correa 916-651-4034 916-323-2323
Bob Dutton 916-651-4031 916-327-2272
Tom Harman 916-651-4035 916-445-9263
Shiela Kuehl 916-651-4023 916-324-4823
Alan Lowenthal 916-651-4027 916-327-9113
Mike Machado 916-651-4005 916-323-2304
Abel Maldonado 916-651-4015 916-445-8081
Denise Moreno Ducheny 916-651-4040 916-327-3522
Gloria Negrete McLeod 916-651-4032 916-445-0128
Jenny Oropeza 916-651-4028 916-323-6056
Alex Padilla 916-651-4020 916-324-6645
Don Perata 916-651-4009 916-327-1997
Mark Ridley-Thomas 916-651-4026 916-445-8899
Gloria Romero 916-651-4024 916-445-0485
Jack Scott 916-651-4021 916-324-7543
Joseph Simitian 916-651-4011 916-323-4529
Darrell Steinberg 916-651-4006 916-323-2263
Tom Torlakson 916-651-4007 916-445-2527
Edward Vincent 916-651-4025 916-445-3712
Patricia Wiggins 916-651-4002 916-323-6958
Leland Yee 916-651-4008 916-327-2186

REPUBLICANS:
Sam Aanestad 916-651-4004 916-445-7750
Dick Ackerman 916-651-4033 916-445-9754
Roy Ashburn 916-651-4018 916-322-3304
James Battin 916-651-4037 916-327-2187
Dave Cogdill 916-651-4014 916-327-3523
Dave Cox 916-651-4001 916-324-2680
Jeff Denham 916-651-4012 916-445-0773
Dean Florez 916-651-4016 916-327-5989
Dennis Hollingsworth 916-651-4036 916-447-9008
Christine Kehoe 916-651-4039 916-327-2188
Bob Margett 916-651-4029 916-324-0922
Tom McClintock 916-651-4019 916-324-7544
Carole Migden 916-651-4003 916-445-4722
George Runner 916-651-4017 916-445-4662
Mark Wyland 916-651-4038 916-446-7382

Here is the Governor's phone and fax numbers. Please let him know
how you feel.

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger: Phone 916-445-2841 Fax: 916-558-3160

In addition, we are urging dog owners in every state to contact AKC
board members and officers and express your strong disagreement with
the board's decision to withdraw its opposition to AB 1634. Please
ask them to oppose this legislation and make sure that every senator
knows about it before they can vote on Monday.

Here is AKC contact information:

Name Email Alternate Email Telephone
Dennis B. Sprung, President dbs@akc.org 516-637-6567
Ronald H. Menaker, Chairman rhm@akc.org rmenrmen@aol. com
201-848-7042
David C. Merriam, Vice Chairman dcm@akc.org
dmerriam@mindspring .com 760-639-5253
Dr. William R. Newman dansdad@pennswoods. net
Dr. Carmen L. Battaglia clb@akc.org cbattaglia@mindspri ng.com
770-998-3679
Dr. Thomas M. Davies dunwich@samnet. net
Steven D. Gladstone sdg@cwcorgi. com 570-839-2552
Patricia C. Scully pcs@akc.org pat_scully@bd. com 845-
357-1812
Dr. J. Charles Garvin jcg@akc.org jcgarvin@adelphia. net 740-
383-8050
Dr. Patricia H. Haines phh@akc.org ofkpointer@aol. com
Nina Schaefer osakanuc@aol. com pennafeddogclubs@ aol.com
215- 402 9989
Patti L. Strand naia@involved. com NAIA@naiaonline. org 503-
761-1139
Walter F. Goodman wfg@akc.org wfgoodman@mindsprin g.com
305-758-5766
Ken Marden kam@akc.org kmarden@earthlink. net 207-549-4783

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IN OUR VIEW: Daily Herald

Note to cities: Sic 'em

Several more area cities are considering new regulations for pit bulls, and none too soon.

In Orem, two men were attacked by three dogs, including a pit bull, in late July. Yes, two other dogs were involved, but it was the pit bull that did the biting, according to reports.

Certainly any dog can attack, but when a pit bull is the attacker, the risk of severe injury or even death goes way up. They (and a couple of other breeds) are more dangerous than average canines.

South Jordan bans them.

Springville has such tight restrictions that that city has only one resident with a pit bull permit. (One might wonder how many pit bulls are actually in Springville. Maybe the ordinance is so tough that people don't even try to comply with it.)

Mapleton is pondering an even more restrictive ordinance.

Orem is looking at several ideas, but nothing is definite yet.

The Provo Municipal Council has been working on a more nuanced measure that would target "at-risk" or "dangerous" dogs.

But what's so bad about "breed-specific" laws? Dogs are not human beings, they are animals. Pit bulls, rottweilers and a few other kinds are bred for aggression. And so it is responsible to subject them to tighter control because of who they are. Unlike the targeting of a racial group for humans, this isn't about constitutional rights or discrimination. It's about public safety.

http://www.heraldex tra.com/content/ view/277110/ 3/ ]]> Breed Specific Legislation apbtmom76 http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12836 <![CDATA[Vicious DOgs Top Coucil's Agenda]]> http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=12835&goto=newpost Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:41:58 GMT Vicious dogs top council's agenda Posted on: Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 4:15 AM

By Justin Cox
Killeen Daily Herald

Animal control has been a hot topic for the city in recent months, and the item will be on the agenda once again at the council's workshop today.

Members of the Killeen City Council are scheduled for a busy day as three committees are scheduled to meet throughout today in addition to the 5 p.m. council workshop.

The city's animal control ordinance is on the agenda, and Councilman Larry Cole said the city is anxiously looking for a workable solution.

"The vicious dogs – we've got to find a solution to that," Cole said Monday. "We're getting weekly complaints from citizens that they can't walk their neighborhood without getting accosted by some large dog. We have to find a way to make the owners more accountable. "

Cole said no particular neighborhood or section of the city has been overwhelmed more than any other, but the Manor and Killeen Creek subdivisions have certainly had problems.

"I cover the city on a regular basis, and they're all over town," Cole said. "You're supposed to keep your animals in your yard. Some backyards don't even have a gate. The first time out shouldn't be the time they attack a child."

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